Clinton attacks Obama with false info. (expected anything less?)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080105/clinton-obama-abortion/
MANCHESTER, N.H. — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton criticizes rival Barack Obama's record on abortion rights in a mailing sent to New Hampshire voters _ her first direct attack on the Illinois senator since his victory in Iowa.
The mailer says that seven times during his time in the Illinois state Senate, Obama declined to take a position on abortion bills, while Clinton has been a defender of abortion rights.
During his eight years in the legislature, Obama cast a number of votes on abortion and received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive, a vote that especially riled abortion opponents.
He also joined other state Democrats in voting present on some bills.
The mailing comes amid division within the Clinton campaign over how negative to go against Obama after his victory Thursday in the Iowa caucuses. The campaign has made a decision to hold off on any television advertising, positive or negative, until after a nationally televised debate Saturday night.
Obama also has been criticized by the political arm of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which has endorsed Clinton. Seven international vice presidents sent a letter protesting the "wholesale assault on one of the great friends of our union."
"Supposedly, we are involved in this primary because we're concerned about access to the next Democratic president," the signers argued. "So why would we want to develop a hostile relationship with the man who could be that next president?"
During the Iowa campaign, the Clinton campaign criticized Obama's position on health care in Iowa. But she is taking a different approach in New Hampshire.
"A woman's right to choose," the mailing says on the front, then flips to the back, "demands a leader who will stand up and protect it."
It says Clinton has a record of fighting "far-right Republicans" to defend abortion rights, while Obama has been "unwilling to take a stand on choice."
"Seven times he had the opportunity to stand up against Republican anti-choice legislation in the Illinois state Senate," it says. "Seven times he voted present _ not yes or no, but present. Being there is not enough to protect choice.
"On January 8 you have a choice," it closes. "Vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Tuesday, Jan. 8."
The mailer says "Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President" and has a return address of her office in Manchester. Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said the campaign decided to send the piece because "as Senator Obama has said, `voting records matter.' This is a critical issue for New Hampshire voters and they deserve a straightforward presentation of the facts about both candidates."
Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded, "The Clinton campaign's false negative attacks were rejected by Iowa voters, and we expect that they'll suffer the same fate here in New Hampshire."
MANCHESTER, N.H. — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton criticizes rival Barack Obama's record on abortion rights in a mailing sent to New Hampshire voters _ her first direct attack on the Illinois senator since his victory in Iowa.
The mailer says that seven times during his time in the Illinois state Senate, Obama declined to take a position on abortion bills, while Clinton has been a defender of abortion rights.
During his eight years in the legislature, Obama cast a number of votes on abortion and received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive, a vote that especially riled abortion opponents.
He also joined other state Democrats in voting present on some bills.
The mailing comes amid division within the Clinton campaign over how negative to go against Obama after his victory Thursday in the Iowa caucuses. The campaign has made a decision to hold off on any television advertising, positive or negative, until after a nationally televised debate Saturday night.
Obama also has been criticized by the political arm of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which has endorsed Clinton. Seven international vice presidents sent a letter protesting the "wholesale assault on one of the great friends of our union."
"Supposedly, we are involved in this primary because we're concerned about access to the next Democratic president," the signers argued. "So why would we want to develop a hostile relationship with the man who could be that next president?"
During the Iowa campaign, the Clinton campaign criticized Obama's position on health care in Iowa. But she is taking a different approach in New Hampshire.
"A woman's right to choose," the mailing says on the front, then flips to the back, "demands a leader who will stand up and protect it."
It says Clinton has a record of fighting "far-right Republicans" to defend abortion rights, while Obama has been "unwilling to take a stand on choice."
"Seven times he had the opportunity to stand up against Republican anti-choice legislation in the Illinois state Senate," it says. "Seven times he voted present _ not yes or no, but present. Being there is not enough to protect choice.
"On January 8 you have a choice," it closes. "Vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Tuesday, Jan. 8."
The mailer says "Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President" and has a return address of her office in Manchester. Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said the campaign decided to send the piece because "as Senator Obama has said, `voting records matter.' This is a critical issue for New Hampshire voters and they deserve a straightforward presentation of the facts about both candidates."
Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded, "The Clinton campaign's false negative attacks were rejected by Iowa voters, and we expect that they'll suffer the same fate here in New Hampshire."
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They want everything
My Uncle Bill
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Obama...what a guy! Viva la Obama! Fuck the children and encourage the whores.
If these fetuses can survive an abortion procedure, maybe they are human? Just maybe? Okay all you whores, you can call it non-human.
They want everything
My Uncle Bill
My belisha beacon
I don't think it matters at all whether the fetus can survive or not survive out of the womb. I think it is human either way. But these women who can't accept that they are the ones who get pregnant and not men, claim that a fetuses survival determines humanity. Well, maybe these fetuses can't support themselves outside of the womb (not that any full-term baby can), but these fetuses can survive an abortion procedure, so I think there may be more to these fetuses than just a couple cells. But hey, these women who get drunk and have unprotected sex need to have the ability to not take responsibility for their actions.
How can you be a human and vote to not have medical care for an aborted fetus? That is the better question. It is truly disturbing. This is 2008, not the dark ages.
Without knowing any of the details about the legislation, except the one sentence that you quoted, we really can't argue about it either way.
Again, just going off the quote, I didn't like the word "requiring medical care". Agree or not about abortion, right now it is legal, and I have a problem with a doctor being legally required to provide care for a fetus that he/she was legally asked to terminate. Are doctors legally required to all of a sudden care for someone when the family decides to pull the plug on life support if the patient doesn't die right away?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
while reading the article, that line jumped out at me as well. doesn't 'abortion' mean termination? if the fetus survived, then it was not aborted, correct? if it survived, then it's alive, so why wouldn't it deserve medical attention?
Because it was supposed to be terminated. If someone has a tumor removed and the doctor didn't get it all, do we then decide to just let the remaining part go, because it withstood the operation?
edit - back to the original point of the thread, Clinton is scum... dirty politics from her as usual. At least this time she stood by it instead of claiming she knew nothing about it and firing someone.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Here are some FACTS:
- Half of all pregnancies are unintended, and this percentage vastly increases among poor women and women of color.
- The majority of women who have abortions use contraception. For instance, 1500 women/year have abortions after getting pregnant while relying on theirs or their partner’s sterilization to prevent pregnancy.
- The majority of women having abortions are mothers.
- The majority of women having abortions earn less than 200% the federal poverty level. (That’s $27,380 for a single mom with one child.)
- The majority of women having abortions cite responsibility to other individuals (such as existing children) as one of their primary reasons for ending the pregnancy.
(These are U.S. statistics. PM me for citations; they are too numerous to list here.)
It’s a fallacy to suggest that women have abortions because they’re irresponsible. Most women who have sex and don’t want to get pregnant use contraception, but contraception fails – much more than one might think. You might say women shouldn’t have sex at all if they don’t want to get pregnant but - aside from the very real possibility of being raped - what about married women? Should they not have sex with their husbands because they don’t want or can’t care for a(nother) child?
You might say that if a women becomes unintentionally pregnant within the context of a marriage she should continue the pregnancy, unless she is just selfish and doesn’t want to “take responsibility for her actions.” But, given that most women having abortions are poor mothers, oftentimes having an abortion – so as not to sacrifice the well-being of the children they already have – is the most responsible choice they can make.
Rather than propagating misconceptions about women who have abortions, it would be more useful to promote widespread access to birth control and sex education.
Awesome. Now Baby = Tumor. Good analogy.
Now I never said a baby = tumor... I love kids, and the only time that I would ever compare a kid to a tumor is when they are a teenager and they spend all your money and wreck your car... taking all you can give, and giving nothing but grief in return
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Thanks for sharing those facts. Even those of us against abortions don't like people that spread that kind of hate. Makes the rest of us look bad.
But hey look...Britney...you know you love it, and so do they, thats why it's in your face.
still scratching you head wondering why?
Don't feel bad, so are millions of others.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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