John Bolton is outta there!

darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6207054.stm

Controversial US envoy quits post

Mr Bush was for him, but Democrat senators were not
The US ambassador to the United Nations is to leave his post when his temporary appointment runs out.
John Bolton looked unable to win the necessary Senate support for him to continue in the job.

Democrats in the chamber, who objected to his combative approach at the UN, were due to reject his nomination.

He is the second high-profile member of President George W Bush's team to leave after the Republicans fared badly in last month's mid-term elections.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld left shortly after the 7 November polls.

Mr Bolton took up the UN posting last year during a Congressional holiday after his nomination stalled in the Senate.

It was a procedural manoeuvre that avoided the need for him to be confirmed until the end of this year.

That procedure cannot be repeated, and the new climate in Congress would make it all but impossible for him to win a two-thirds majority of senators.

The incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Senator Joe Biden, had already said he saw "no point in considering Mr Bolton's nomination again".

'Ideal'

Mr Bolton's critics said a man who once declared there was "no such thing" as the UN was hardly a suitable choice to join the body.

The president appointed ambassador Bolton because he knew he would represent America's values and would take head-on problems at the United Nations

White House spokeswoman
Profile: John Bolton

His nomination incensed many former US ambassadors - 102 of whom signed a letter urging senators to reject his nomination.

But his admirers said he was a bright, hard-working realist - whose scepticism about the UN's role made him an ideal envoy, particularly when the organisation was in need of deep reform.

A White House spokeswoman said that among Mr Bolton's accomplishments, he assembled coalitions addressing North Korea's nuclear activity, Iran's uranium enrichment and reprocessing work and the horrific violence in Darfur.

He personified Washington's view of the UN, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, an institution that was viewed as being wasteful and ineffective at best and, at worst, as inimical to America's wider global interests.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Too bad. He was the first ambassador to have intact testicles in recent memory.

    Too bad the Democrats will force us to have a watered down, weak ambasador.

    Too bad the Bush administration lacks the will to fight for him. They deserve the most scorn. Bolton carried their water without question, even though he likely didn't agree with many of their positions. Condi Rice has done almost nothing to help him. They totally threw him under the bus. What a bunch of assholes.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    jeffbr wrote:
    Too bad. He was the first ambassador to have intact testicles in recent memory.

    Too bad the Democrats will force us to have a watered down, weak ambasador.

    Too bad the Bush administration lacks the will to fight for him. They deserve the most scorn. Bolton carried their water without question, even though he likely didn't agree with many of their positions. Condi Rice has done almost nothing to help him. They totally threw him under the bus. What a bunch of assholes.
    Mostly it's too bad bcause from all reports he's been doing a very good job.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • so glad to see this guy go!
  • surferdude wrote:
    Mostly it's too bad bcause from all reports he's been doing a very good job.
    Hmm. I hadn't heard that. Can you post some links to these reports?
    We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. - Ayn Rand
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    so glad to see this guy go!


    why?
  • micmic Posts: 2
    My impression of him was that he made an impression of an intelligent guy and a gentleman, which made him an efficient diplomat. And in the world situation where we have countries like N.Korea or Iran raising fierce arguments againt America (regardless of who's President, really) for its skill to influence the world, and its active involvement in international affairs, it takes a peaceful and well-read person to represent the US against during these debates. He stood for American strategic interests, but he did it without unnecessary rants. Perhaps there's something so gross about him that I wasn't there to see and hear?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    surferdude wrote:
    Mostly it's too bad bcause from all reports he's been doing a very good job.

    Absolutely right. But politics will trump demonstrated competence everytime.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • I was happy to see an agressive guy representing us, he wasn't taking any shit from the eurotrash and I loved it.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I was happy to see an agressive guy representing us, he wasn't taking any shit from the eurotrash and I loved it.


    exactly. the UN sucks and is full of people who wont do shit. I guess we need to drop to their level.
  • I say Bill Clinton for Ambassador to the UN...then he can move up the ranks and take over for Kofi
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I say Bill Clinton for Ambassador to the UN...then he can move up the ranks and take over for Kofi


    I can live with that. why havent I seen you in the Obama thread?
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I say Bill Clinton for Ambassador to the UN...then he can move up the ranks and take over for Kofi
    I don't think he'd want to. The UN is a thankless position and fro mwhat I've read Bill is pretty happy with the affect he can have on issues as an ex-president.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    I was happy to see an agressive guy representing us, he wasn't taking any shit from the eurotrash and I loved it.

    better eurotrash than trailertrash :D :P (wasn't calling you trailertrash btw)
  • I say Bill Clinton for Ambassador to the UN...then he can move up the ranks and take over for Kofi

    I'd like to Clinton working for the UN someday. However, he'll have to wait for at least 5 years to take over for Kofi Annan. His sucessor has already been appointed. Ban Ki-Moon, South Corea's Minister of Foreign Affairs was like a month ago to be the next Secretary General.

    About Bolton, well for the international community is good news. Personally, I'd like to see the US having an ambassador who actually believes in UN's role...
  • darkcrow wrote:
    better eurotrash than trailertrash :D :P (wasn't calling you trailertrash btw)

    LOL I know. Ditto :D
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    CaterinaA wrote:
    I'd like to Clinton working for the UN someday. However, he'll have to wait for at least 5 years to take over for Kofi Annan. His sucessor has already been appointed. Ban Ki-Moon, South Corea's Minister of Foreign Affairs was like a month ago to be the next Secretary General.

    About Bolton, well for the international community is good news. Personally, I'd like to see the US having an ambassador who actually believes in UN's role...
    But he's done a good job, and there haven't been any complaints about his conduct since he's taken the position. Isn't it on the job performance that should matter the most?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdude wrote:
    But he's done a good job, and there haven't been any complaints about his conduct since he's taken the position. Isn't it on the job performance that should matter the most?

    Well, from what I know it has been really tough to work and get some compromises from Bolton. For example, the Millenium Development Goals are THE most important goal the UN system has ever set, yet it was extremely hard to get Bolton's signature on strenghtening developed countries compromise with the Millenium Declaration. I mean if you don't believe in what could be one of UN's biggest achievements it doesn't make much sense to be in the organization, I think...
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Well, from what I know it has been really tough to work and get some compromises from Bolton. For example, the Millenium Development Goals are THE most important goal the UN system has ever set, yet it was extremely hard to get Bolton's signature on strenghtening developed countries compromise with the Millenium Declaration. I mean if you don't believe in what could be one of UN's biggest achievements it doesn't make much sense to be in the organization, I think...
    Who cares what his private beliefs are? That's very dangerous thinking when you want to a person's private thoughts as part of their on the job performance review.

    Did the UN get Bolton's signature? Were the questions he was asking and issues he was bringing up valid? Did he add anything to the process? Everything I've read about Bolton is that he has been (surprisingly) good at his job. His private thoughts on the UN are just that, private.

    My personal take is that the UN is useless in it's present form. I still back Canada being a UN member because I hold out hope that the UN can change and become useful. Should this ban me from ever working with the UN? Is the UN so sacred that it should not be open to criticism? Should those working for the UN be complete yes men?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdude wrote:
    Who cares what his private beliefs are? That's very dangerous thinking when you want to a person's private thoughts as part of their on the job performance review.

    Did the UN get Bolton's signature? Were the questions he was asking and issues he was bringing up valid? Did he add anything to the process? Everything I've read about Bolton is that he has been (surprisingly) good at his job. His private thoughts on the UN are just that, private.

    My personal take is that the UN is useless in it's present form. I still back Canada being a UN member because I hold out hope that the UN can change and become useful. Should this ban me from ever working with the UN? Is the UN so sacred that it should not be open to criticism? Should those working for the UN be complete yes men?


    Actually I can't -mostly cause I lost the newspaper article- remember his objetctions to the MDG's renewed commitment (sp?), but it had to deal with increasing international aide in order to achieve MDGs. Also, he didn't have much of an insight about many of UN's work. The General Assembly is a tiny part of the whole organization.

    Of course that people working for the UN don't have to be "yes men", I wouldn't condone it either; there has to be critical thinking and questioning. Actually if you take a look at the latest UN appointments you'll find criticism, but understanding at the same time. For example, Mr. Kemal Dervis, who was appointed last year UNDP's General Administor, wrote a brilliant proposal to reform the UN Security Council. And there's a huge wind of change in the organization. The UN is being reformed as we speak.

    And may I tell you that the UN is sooo not useless. Maybe if we strictly refer to the Security Council, we can agree that is has not been working properly; but the UN do so much more. I mean, UNDP comprises like 60 different agencies which are devoted to solve and help creating solutions for many issues like poverty, AIDS; children's rights, etc, etc. There are agencies like UNDP, FAO, UNICEF, WHO, ILO and many other that do crucial work all throughout the world. Sadly the General Assembly and the Security Council steal all the headlines...

    Apologies for my english
    Caterina
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    CaterinaA wrote:
    And may I tell you that the UN is sooo not useless. Maybe if we strictly refer to the Security Council, we can agree that is has not been working properly; but the UN do so much more. I mean, UNDP comprises like 60 different agencies which are devoted to solve and help creating solutions for many issues like poverty, AIDS; children's rights, etc, etc. There are agencies like UNDP, FAO, UNICEF, WHO, ILO and many other that do crucial work all throughout the world. Sadly the General Assembly and the Security Council steal all the headlines...

    Apologies for my english
    Caterina
    Good points and good english. I must admit that my main frustration with the UN is the Security Council and the lack of accountability. I think at this point that the UN would be better off it it just shut down the security council.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdude wrote:
    Good points and good english. I must admit that my main frustration with the UN is the Security Council and the lack of accountability. I think at this point that the UN would be better off it it just shut down the security council.

    Thanks for the compliments about my english.

    The thing with the UN Security Council is that the organism is outdated; chiefly because it is still operating under a "cold war framework". The geopolitical and economic map has changed a lot and nowadays permanent seats don't reflect such maps. The most "out there" examples are China, India and -to a lesser degree- Brasil. These countries have a say on today's global affairs, so it would be logic to have them included in the Security Council.

    Yet, the key issue is to create a new system for the veto powers. It is obvious that permanent members won't give away veto powers, but something should be done, in order to prevent the many of zero sum situations we see in the SC... for example I like this reform proposa, it is realistic and would reflect more accurately our world's situation:
    http://www.cgdev.org/doc/books/better_globalization/chapter3.pdf
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