Obama supporters

Strangest Tribe

unsung wrote:

As much as right now Iraq is a blunder there are policies of Obama's that would cost more. I'm curious why he will get your vote, and if it is only an anti-Bush anti-Clinton establishment vote say so.

actually.... that's good enough reason for most people. CHANGE you actually answered your own question right here.

88keys

The problem with Iraq is the majority of the United States doesn't have the patience to see something like this through. Weather is was under false pretenses or not is now irrelavant... we're there and we have to deal with it. Once Hussein and his regime was toppled, everyone expected it to just be over and we could go home...mission accomplished (as Bush so retardedly stated on that aircraft carrier 6 years ago). But it's never that simple... after WW2 it took 7 years to reconstruct Japan, and that was with the help of Great Britain, France, China and The former USSR. We're pretty much alone in this one.

As for Obama, here are some interesting quotes taken directly from Obama's books:

From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams of My Father: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From Dreams of My Father: ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Also see verification on many of Obama's biggest self contradictions: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

sweetpotato

unsung wrote:

Can someone answer these questions?

Why do you support him?

What will he change and how does he plan to do it?

Do you not care that his domestic policies are weak or is it just enough to get out of Iraq?

What if Bush was right about removing Hussein and making Iraq free? What if Iraq is the next Germany or Japan? Wouldn't that validate going there even though the reasons were lies?


As much as right now Iraq is a blunder there are policies of Obama's that would cost more. I'm curious why he will get your vote, and if it is only an anti-Bush anti-Clinton establishment vote say so.


Also before anyone chimes in I'm not voting for either Obama or McCain.

fatal flaw with your initial post, so therefore it warrants no response from anyone, let alone me: you start out under the guise of actually wanting to discuss this and are seeking real answers, but then your true intentions reveal themselves- that you are only interested in bickering and trying to ridicule someone's choice of candidate and/or actually try and change their minds through your brilliant assessment of obama as a good candidate for the presidency. you fail, miserably, on all counts.

sweetpotato

ledvedderman wrote:

...or a "terrorist"?

...or a pain in the ass on a message board who only starts threads to start fights and doesn't want to accept that he may be calling his next commander in chief "president obama".

Abookamongstthemany

sweetpotato wrote:

...or a pain in the ass on a message board who only starts threads to start fights and doesn't want to accept that he may be calling his next commander in chief "president obama".

Especially after the last presidency, the title commander in chief really doesn't hold much weight. Apparently anyone can do it.

RainDog

88keys wrote:

As for Obama, here are some interesting quotes taken directly from Obama's books:

Interesting out of context quotes, sure.

88keys wrote:

From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams of My Father: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From Dreams of My Father: ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

I've never read his books, but I can tell straight away that these are cherry picked and misapplied. Most significantly, they're all in the past tense. They read like an older man talking about himself as a younger man trying to fit in - find an identity. All I can say is thank God I'm not like I was at 13 - you know, when I tried my absolute hardest to dissassociate from my family for being embarrassing squares.

"Me? I'm not like my parents. I'm my own man."

I was pretty confrontational about it too.

88keys wrote:

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

How about the entire quote I got from a search on Google?

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

So he would stand with the Muslims should the U.S. government start internment camps again, like they did with the Japanese during WWII. Shocking, I say. Absolutely shocking. :rolleyes:

blackredyellow

88keys wrote:

The problem with Iraq is the majority of the United States doesn't have the patience to see something like this through. Weather is was under false pretenses or not is now irrelavant... we're there and we have to deal with it. Once Hussein and his regime was toppled, everyone expected it to just be over and we could go home...mission accomplished (as Bush so retardedly stated on that aircraft carrier 6 years ago). But it's never that simple... after WW2 it took 7 years to reconstruct Japan, and that was with the help of Great Britain, France, China and The former USSR. We're pretty much alone in this one.

As for Obama, here are some interesting quotes taken directly from Obama's books:

From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams of My Father: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From Dreams of My Father: ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Also see verification on many of Obama's biggest self contradictions: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

wow... that's rich... you cite snopes saying it verifies contradictions, but in reality it disputes several of them and ignores the rest.

Then you post out of context quotes from his books without checking snopes for the context and to see that your e-mail forward info is basically a bunch of crap.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

unsung

What if he picks Clinton as his running mate? Won't all of this talk of 'change' kind of be a moot point?

Strangest Tribe

unsung wrote:

What if he picks Clinton as his running mate? Won't all of this talk of 'change' kind of be a moot point?

explain please.

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

It said public opinion had changed toward the American troops. What events do you think make that happen?


Was it because they were killing their own and picked us to blame?

I would answer this question, but it's completely over my head.
I wish you wouldn't keep confusing me.

unsung wrote:

I wonder how many would choose to go back to living under Hussein?

Hmm...maybe...the over one million dead Iraqi's? But then, I'm just hazarding a guess, as I can't speak for the dead.

unsung

Strangest Tribe wrote:

explain please.

Someone previously said that they would vote for him because he was different and not the same families constantly in charge. If Clinton were to run with him wouldn't it still be the establishment if he were to win? Hillary would be there and Bill would be sticking his nose in I'm willing to bet.

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

Someone previously said that they would vote for him because he was different and not the same families constantly in charge. If Clinton were to run with him wouldn't it still be the establishment if he were to win? Hillary would be there and Bill would be sticking his nose in I'm willing to bet.

I hope he doesn't pick her as his VP.

88keys

Taken from Judicial Watch's 10most corrupt politicians of 2007:

"Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law."

For the entire article: http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

ledvedderman

88keys wrote:

Taken from Judicial Watch's 10most corrupt politicians of 2007:

"Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law."

For the entire article: http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

I just looked at that list and it is beyond laughable. The top ten are just the big names in politics these days. Any list that doesn't have Sen. Stevens on it is not legit in my book. Also, Scooter Libby is on the list, yet Dick Cheney or George W. Bush is not?

If I only knew the major players in politics and had to make a top ten list off those rankings, then this would be the list.

Once you dive deep into the members of House and Senate, you will see that there are truly some slimeballs out there, and no one in this top ten would even come close.

U R A Crazy Breed

Bush freed Iraq? are you fucking serious??!!

wow!!


Obama,Bush,McCain,Clinton all work for the same masters! nothing will change as long as "we the people" let ourselves be manipulated by silver spoon professional liars.

your freedom is fading fast you better wake up soon!

ledvedderman

Crazy Breed wrote:

Bush freed Iraq? are you fucking serious??!!

(looks around)

Who said that?

U R A Crazy Breed

ledvedderman wrote:

(looks around)

Who said that?

I DID!!

ledvedderman

Crazy Breed wrote:

I DID!!

and...why?

U R A Crazy Breed

ledvedderman wrote:

and...why?

oh so you think Bush "freed" Iraq too?

ledvedderman

Crazy Breed wrote:

oh so you think Bush "freed" Iraq too?

No. I don't at all. What the blue hell are you talking about now anyway?