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mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073

OK the article is definitely a little slanted, but that's not why I posted it. I believe it raises a good point, one that I have also heard discussed several times.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    I don't know if it is slanted; Politico is a great newsletter, but it's also viewed as relatively, albeit moderately conservative website. But it raises a good point; if she was always going to be so much trouble, then why was she picked in the first place?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    Jane Mayer on “The Insiders: How John McCain Came to Pick Sarah Palin”

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  • Jack_C_GregoryJack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    I have often thought that she was chosen to be used as a scapegoat. In my opinion the only thing a republican fears more than being controlled by a black man is being controlled by a woman. If McCain loses, republicans can say, "well, what do you expect with a woman on the ticket" thereby making sure a woman does not appear on the ticket for a long long time.
  • veddingsingerveddingsinger Posts: 21
    McCain blames everyone but himself for his failures.

    He has no positive message.

    He used to have respect from some Democrats.

    Now his name is mud.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    WeaponX655321 wrote:
    I have often thought that she was chosen to be used as a scapegoat. In my opinion the only thing a republican fears more than being controlled by a black man is being controlled by a woman. If McCain loses, republicans can say, "well, what do you expect with a woman on the ticket" thereby making sure a woman does not appear on the ticket for a long long time.
    I love a good "White male conspiracy" as much as the next commie, but I'm not buying this. He did not choose someone based on losing. There are clear reasons why the choice makes sense (though none to do with her fitness for the office). Not only does she have this "stupid-but-not-too-stupid" "W" quality, but he needed here "God/Gays/Guns" cred for the conservatives.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I
    There are clear reasons why the choice makes sense (though none to do with her fitness for the office). Not only does she have this "stupid-but-not-too-stupid" "W" quality, but he needed here "God/Gays/Guns" cred for the conservatives.

    Exactly!!

    Course many have been able to shake their insecurities and thus Obama has an actual shot at this.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Watching Morning Joe this morning a few people on the show, Joe Scarsborrough, Gov. Tommy Thompson, and a Republican strategist (can't remember his name right now) all said that the selection of Palin hurt the campaign more than helped. I would add that the "grumblings" coming from within the campaign would support that logic as well. He forfeited the support of independents and moderates for the sake of appeasing the Religious base.
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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Who do you think the base would side with?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Who do you think the base would side with?


    The religious base would definitely side with Palin, but the decision of the GOP to continue to move in that direction has been alienating many Republicans for some time now. We probably would have see have seen more of a backlash in 2004 had the Democrat nominated someone other than John Kerry. Had the Dems nominated more of a Centrist with more charisma Bush would have lost. Also I would like to add that the only reason this race is even close is because Obama is a bit too far to the left. If he was a bit more centrist this election wouldn't even be a contest right now. The GOP has forget about a huge portion of it's supporters simply to cater to this one group and I think that the party is at a crossroads. If it continues down this path it will loose a large portion of it's voting block. This reason is why I'm so disappointed with the Libertarian party for nominating Bob Barr. A better candidate with a bit more name recognition could have definitely pulled many of those GOP voters to the Libertarian party.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    If .... *IF* ... John McCain loses, he did it on his own ...

    He had one clear opportunity to win this election and he blew it.

    The financial meltdown.

    If he wasn't on TV saying the "fundimentals of the economy are strong" with the Dow average box next to him stating DOWN 500 pts .... if he didn't pull the "suspend the campaign" stunt ... if he wasn't on tv every day with a different opinion, if he didn't offer to buy back all the bad loans taking the loses AWAY from the banks and passing them back to the American people, he would have done a lot better ...

    And with all that said, he still had one more chance to win ...

    When the Senate bail out package came up for vote with $140B in earmarks ... if he stood his ground and stated something like, "it's bad enough we're using taxpayer dollars to bail out Wall St, but, now we want to add pork? I am speaking for the American people when I say NO, I will not vote for this!" .... well ... he'd be winning now and it would not be close.

    McCain has no one to blame but himself.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    jimed14 wrote:
    If .... *IF* ... John McCain loses, he did it on his own ...

    He had one clear opportunity to win this election and he blew it.

    The financial meltdown.

    If he wasn't on TV saying the "fundimentals of the economy are strong" with the Dow average box next to him stating DOWN 500 pts .... if he didn't pull the "suspend the campaign" stunt ... if he wasn't on tv every day with a different opinion, if he didn't offer to buy back all the bad loans taking the loses AWAY from the banks and passing them back to the American people, he would have done a lot better ...

    And with all that said, he still had one more chance to win ...

    When the Senate bail out package came up for vote with $140B in earmarks ... if he stood his ground and stated something like, "it's bad enough we're using taxpayer dollars to bail out Wall St, but, now we want to add pork? I am speaking for the American people when I say NO, I will not vote for this!" .... well ... he'd be winning now and it would not be close.

    McCain has no one to blame but himself.
    I agree.
    1. I agree with your "IF" (he's going to win)
    2. The American people were pretty clearly against the bailout and both guys went for it. McCain had the opportunity for separation and did not sieze it.
    3. Sure Palin's a buffoon, but people like that (see: W). She solidifed the social conservatives, which is key. She may cost them some moderates, but that should be, at worst, a wash.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I agree.
    1. I agree with your "IF" (he's going to win)
    2. The American people were pretty clearly against the bailout and both guys went for it. McCain had the opportunity for separation and did not sieze it.
    3. Sure Palin's a buffoon, but people like that (see: W). She solidifed the social conservatives, which is key. She may cost them some moderates, but that should be, at worst, a wash.


    No way in hell am I saying this race is over ... seen how that works out before.

    The one thing where it did not help McCain, the PUMA folks ... ("party unity, my ass" ... disenchanted Hillary voters) I think it was a clear attempt at trying to sway them a bit, by picking a female ... and THAT backfired ... once people got to know Palin, the vast majority of the Hillary voters came running back to the democratic side. Opportunity missed.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    WeaponX655321 wrote:
    I have often thought that she was chosen to be used as a scapegoat. In my opinion the only thing a republican fears more than being controlled by a black man is being controlled by a woman. If McCain loses, republicans can say, "well, what do you expect with a woman on the ticket" thereby making sure a woman does not appear on the ticket for a long long time.

    i have actually felt that his choosing her was an insult to ALL women, not to mention insulting to the intellects of the voting public (what intellect there IS out there...). but she has taken the bull by the horns and she's riding it all the way... down to career suicide. she probably should have seen this for what it was and taken a pass on the offer, but obviously her enormous ego and ambition wouldn't allow that option.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    mammasan wrote:
    The religious base would definitely side with Palin, but the decision of the GOP to continue to move in that direction has been alienating many Republicans for some time now. We probably would have see have seen more of a backlash in 2004 had the Democrat nominated someone other than John Kerry. Had the Dems nominated more of a Centrist with more charisma Bush would have lost. Also I would like to add that the only reason this race is even close is because Obama is a bit too far to the left. If he was a bit more centrist this election wouldn't even be a contest right now. The GOP has forget about a huge portion of it's supporters simply to cater to this one group and I think that the party is at a crossroads. If it continues down this path it will loose a large portion of it's voting block. This reason is why I'm so disappointed with the Libertarian party for nominating Bob Barr. A better candidate with a bit more name recognition could have definitely pulled many of those GOP voters to the Libertarian party.

    In the same way we've heard about Reagan Democrats of the 1980's, who were conservative Democrats drawn to Reagan's positive messages due to the haphazard activist reputation of the Democratic Party at that time, I think in the next few years we'll hear alot about "Colin Powell Republicans", who are moderate on social issues and found the Republican Party drift further and further away from its' core values to the point where it was practically unrecognizable. And I think alot of those Colin Powell Republicans may move to the Democratic Party if Obama does well in his first term.
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