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Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks

mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/23/arctic.ice/index.html
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/23/arctic.ice/index.html

    I agree the ice shrinking is disturbing, but polar bears are naturally cannibalistic. I remember watching a special on Discovery or Animal Planet when they mentioned that when a mother was protecting her cubs.

    http://www.nwf.org/nationalwildlife/article.cfm?issueID=80&articleId=1193

    "while polar bears throughout the Arctic actively hunt and consume cubs and injured adults."
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    I agree the ice shrinking is disturbing, but polar bears are naturally cannibalistic. I remember watching a special on Discovery or Animal Planet when they mentioned that when a mother was protecting her cubs.

    http://www.nwf.org/nationalwildlife/article.cfm?issueID=80&articleId=1193

    "while polar bears throughout the Arctic actively hunt and consume cubs and injured adults."

    I knew that Polar bear ate their own but I believe the it is now occuring with more frequency.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    I knew that Polar bear ate their own but I believe the it is now occuring with more frequency.

    Maybe they are, but the article doesn't state that and the title is using the one line about cannibalism as the focal point of the article when the article is mainly about shrinking sea ice.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    Maybe they are, but the article doesn't state that and the title is using the one line about cannibalism as the focal point of the article when the article is mainly about shrinking sea ice.

    It's journalism. A headline about polar bears eating each other is going to grab more attention than shrinking sea ice.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    It's journalism. A headline about polar bears eating each other is going to grab more attention than shrinking sea ice.

    I totally agree with you. It's bad journalism though. If I pulled something like that in my sports journalism class I would have been called out in front of my class though by my prof.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Solat13 wrote:
    I agree the ice shrinking is disturbing, but polar bears are naturally cannibalistic. I remember watching a special on Discovery or Animal Planet when they mentioned that when a mother was protecting her cubs.

    http://www.nwf.org/nationalwildlife/article.cfm?issueID=80&articleId=1193

    "while polar bears throughout the Arctic actively hunt and consume cubs and injured adults."
    True....they ain't too picky about what's for dinner.....and if the ice is shrinking, then the frequency would probably increase due to it being that much harder to nab a seal.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    I totally agree with you. It's bad journalism though. If I pulled something like that in my sports journalism class I would have been called out in front of my class though by my prof.

    You probably would but if you where working at a major media outlet you would be called out by your editor for not doing it. What works for academia doesn't always work in the real world.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    polar bears are not canibals by nature ... they do kill other polar bears for territory and reproductive reason however, killing for a food source is not normal ...

    http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/polar-bear/diet.htm

    this is yet another sign
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    You probably would but if you where working at a major media outlet you would be called out by your editor for not doing it. What works for academia doesn't always work in the real world.

    My prof was Sal Paolantonio from the Philly Inquirer and ESPN. But the actual author of the story never picks the title out. The copy editor does, but that's a topic for a different thread.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    polaris wrote:
    polar bears are not canibals by nature ... they do kill other polar bears for territory and reproductive reason however, killing for a food source is not normal ...

    http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/polar-bear/diet.htm

    this is yet another sign

    I'm sure Sea World would choose not to list polar bear's cannabalism.

    But there is a journal from 1983 way before global warming was conceived and scientists thought we going into an ice age that came out that mentions that polar bears were more susceptible to Trichinella a parasitic roundworm due to cannabalism.

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120042323/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Solat13 wrote:
    My prof was Sal Paolantonio from the Philly Inquirer and ESPN. But the actual author of the story never picks the title out. The copy editor does, but that's a topic for a different thread.


    1) I love Sal Paolantonio ... that must have been pretty nifty.

    2) ... was going to make that point about the title ... took a jounalism class in high school ... one of the few things I remember.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    My prof was Sal Paolantonio from the Philly Inquirer and ESPN. But the actual author of the story never picks the title out. The copy editor does, but that's a topic for a different thread.

    I did not know that, then again I never studied journalism.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    jimed14 wrote:
    1) I love Sal Paolantonio ... that must have been pretty nifty.

    Yep, he was a real good guy. He was pretty tough and really criticized you for lazy journalism, but it was one of the most rewarding classes I took in college. Plus it was interesting to hear his insights on other sports journalists and how he's much more interested in politics than sports. It's one of the few classes that stood out for me.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm sure Sea World would choose not to list polar bear's cannabalism.

    But there is a journal from 1983 way before global warming was conceived and scientists thought we going into an ice age that came out that mentions that polar bears were more susceptible to Trichinella a parasitic roundworm due to cannabalism.

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120042323/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

    http://animal.discovery.com/news/ap/20060612/polarbears.html

    Polar bears kill each other for population regulation, dominance, and reproductive advantage, the study said. Killing for food seems to be less common, said the study's principal author, Steven Amstrup of the U.S. Geological Survey Alaska Science Center
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