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US fears Israeli strike against Iran over latest nuclear claim

mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2827787.ece
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    that "wipe off the map" is golden ... priceless tool for the war mongers
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Is it just me or is Ahmedinejad looking for trouble? I mean he knows that Israel, and in some circles the U.S. is chomping at the bit to bomb the shit out of them, and it's as if he's taunting. "Look at us with our 3,000 centrifuges, isn't that the magic number you minions of Zion?! Come get us you motherless pigs". I'm not sure why he'd publicly discuss these things. So great, he gets more sympathy, more people hating American and Israel, yet his nuclear program, the facilities at least, will be destroyed.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    gabers wrote:
    Is it just me or is Ahmedinejad looking for trouble? I mean he knows that Israel, and in some circles the U.S. is chomping at the bit to bomb the shit out of them, and it's as if he's taunting. "Look at us with our 3,000 centrifuges, isn't that the magic number you minions of Zion?! Come get us you motherless pigs". I'm not sure why he'd publicly discuss these things. So great, he gets more sympathy, more people hating American and Israel, yet his nuclear program, the facilities at least, will be destroyed.


    some people say we're playing into his hands if we attack him, that it will cause more U.S. hatred.

    then again, you see him thumbing his nose at everybody and "mocking" them as you say.

    my question is - how much does he care for his people? if he's willing to keep spouting shit until somebody (prob israel) bombs his ass, it doesn't seem as if he gives a damn if his people die.

    the dude is in a holy war against the west and israel.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    polaris wrote:
    that "wipe off the map" is golden ... priceless tool for the war mongers

    well hell, of course it is.

    that's what he wants..it's his calling.

    so fuck him
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    some people say we're playing into his hands if we attack him, that it will cause more U.S. hatred.

    then again, you see him thumbing his nose at everybody and "mocking" them as you say.

    my question is - how much does he care for his people? if he's willing to keep spouting shit until somebody (prob israel) bombs his ass, it doesn't seem as if he gives a damn if his people die.

    the dude is in a holy war against the west and israel.

    The thing with Iran is that the majority of the population wants a pro-western style democracy. An attack on Iran would only cause a portion of those people to change their views and side with the Iranian government. We and Israel are doing exactly what he wants us to do which is continue to portray ourselves as the aggressor.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    israel seems very irresponsible...why do we have to babysit them?


    they are a free people with their own military and their own leaders...


    they talk shit in the middle east because they know big brother will back them up.. i think we should tell them they have caused this turmoil themselves by attacking and declaring invasions on bogus causes.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    for the record... adminejahadlehaddejad seems to want to have control of the middle east...

    what would be his benefit on attacking us or russia or europe... i dont think he has any interest their... his interest is what he is surrounded by... rogue terrorists and an unstable future.. HOW COULD YOU NOT BE PARANOID!!!!
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    mammasan wrote:
    The thing with Iran is that the majority of the population wants a pro-western style democracy. An attack on Iran would only cause a portion of those people to change their views and side with the Iranian government. We and Israel are doing exactly what he wants us to do which is continue to portray ourselves as the aggressor.

    Thats becuase the US is the agressor.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    The thing with Iran is that the majority of the population wants a pro-western style democracy. An attack on Iran would only cause a portion of those people to change their views and side with the Iranian government. We and Israel are doing exactly what he wants us to do which is continue to portray ourselves as the aggressor.

    maybe, but he's willing to put his country's people at risk, no sweat off of his ass.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    maybe, but he's willing to put his country's people at risk, no sweat off of his ass.

    Well attacking a nuclear facility is not really putting a lot of people at risk. It's not like the US or Israel would bomb civilians sites.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    macgyver06 wrote:

    they talk shit in the middle east because they know big brother will back them up.. i think we should tell them they have caused this turmoil themselves by attacking and declaring invasions on bogus causes.

    Would Israel even need any back up? From what I understand they have one of the best trained armies, and with the manditory military service for men and women it is pretty big. Plus they already have their own nukes.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    israel seems very irresponsible...why do we have to babysit them?


    they are a free people with their own military and their own leaders...


    they talk shit in the middle east because they know big brother will back them up.. i think we should tell them they have caused this turmoil themselves by attacking and declaring invasions on bogus causes.

    awww, horseshit
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Would Israel even need any back up? From what I understand they have one of the best trained armies, and with the manditory military service for men and women it is pretty big. Plus they already have their own nukes.

    are you suggesting Israel could defeat Iran?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    awww, horseshit


    what is horseshit???
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Well attacking a nuclear facility is not really putting a lot of people at risk. It's not like the US or Israel would bomb civilians sites.


    but it is putting some at risk.

    the flipside - if no civilians are killed, the nukie plants destroyed, wouldn't that make the pro west folks even more pro west?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    are you suggesting Israel could defeat Iran?

    yes!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    yes!

    all by themselves? no U.S. help whatsoever
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    israel seems very irresponsible...why do we have to babysit them?


    they are a free people with their own military and their own leaders...


    they talk shit in the middle east because they know big brother will back them up.. i think we should tell them they have caused this turmoil themselves by attacking and declaring invasions on bogus causes.

    ok, sorry about the horseshit comment. (i must be getting soft)

    i agree with you...we don't need to baby sit them. let them bomb anyone who screws with them.

    i disagree with the last paragraph
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    all by themselves? no U.S. help whatsoever

    other than supplying the guns and ammo?

    sure.

    but we will always be in there somewhere...they are allies.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    other than supplying the guns and ammo?

    sure.

    but we will always be in there somewhere...they are allies.


    810wmb

    im confused

    you said they have a great miltary... but if it is ours... how can they win a war by themselves?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    our relationship to israel is like Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Do

    scrappy appears bad ass... and struts like they are bad asss... but when shit hits the fan... Scooby ends up saving him.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    I REALLY HAVE NEVER GRASPED THIS WHOLE THING...even from a religious standpoint..


    wouldnt a christian nation go with a religion that accepts Jesus...instead of one that doesnt.

    its craziness...is it that the people are uninformed or..FUCK

    WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

    :)
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    I REALLY HAVE NEVER GRASPED THIS WHOLE THING...even from a religious standpoint..


    wouldnt a christian nation go with a religion that accepts Jesus...instead of one that doesnt.

    its craziness...is it that the people are uninformed or..FUCK

    WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

    :)

    well, it's where Jesus was born. the Holy land

    i read somewhere that the people there were surprised by our country's support during some conflict or another.

    it's their army, we just give them a lot of goods.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    well, it's where Jesus was born. the Holy land

    i read somewhere that the people there were surprised by our country's support during some conflict or another.

    it's their army, we just give them a lot of goods.

    http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB85066.pdf

    how much though???

    that text is your answer.. which is why the U.S. probably is thinking Iran means they hate us....because we ARE ISRAEL
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    but it is putting some at risk.

    the flipside - if no civilians are killed, the nukie plants destroyed, wouldn't that make the pro west folks even more pro west?

    One word. Propaganda. Iran will twist the facts, pretty much like we do to unite the popublic against Israel and it's big brother, us. Look at what happened to Bush's approval rating after 9/11.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    810wmb wrote:
    maybe, but he's willing to put his country's people at risk, no sweat off of his ass.


    And Americans aren't being put at risk?

    hmm...

    No sweat off who's ass? The term chicken hawk comes to mind.

    The current line of America's aggression and policy will be it's ultimate downfall and those "in the know" already realize it's coming to fruition..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    And Americans aren't being put at risk?

    hmm...

    No sweat off who's ass? The term chicken hawk comes to mind.

    The current line of America's aggression and policy will be it's ultimate downfall and those "in the know" already realize it's coming to fruition..

    sweet post!

    I hate using child terminology and elementary ideas but they are relevant today because of the behavior of our government.

    No country or Gov't is perfect.. We are no exception...so enforcing and strutting around the globe trying to get all these leaders and their people to straighten up to be exactly like us is like signing our own death certificate.

    kids can only tolerate a bully for so long before they realize not only is the biggest problem also the biggest power, but on top of that.. defeating the biggest problem means huge rewards for the entire world and that is what is going to happen... just like it would in a school yard..

    its a matter of oppurtunity cost at this point
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    And Americans aren't being put at risk?

    hmm...

    No sweat off who's ass? The term chicken hawk comes to mind.

    The current line of America's aggression and policy will be it's ultimate downfall and those "in the know" already realize it's coming to fruition..


    nobody said americans aren't at risk...iran is a big funder of terror.

    we're at risk either way...go down swinging..that's a U.S. thing
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    nobody said americans aren't at risk...iran is a big funder of terror.

    we're at risk either way...go down swinging..that's a U.S. thing

    We are more at risk from the actions of our own government than from Iran's actions.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    810wmb wrote:
    nobody said americans aren't at risk...iran is a big funder of terror.

    we're at risk either way...go down swinging..that's a U.S. thing


    I think that's the misconception of the day. How is American soil at risk from Iran?

    All of the sudden Iran is the enemy. It's so transparent it's laughable.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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