Mission Accomplished

mammasan

4 years to the day since President Bush stood on the deck of the USS Abe Lincoln and declared that major combat operations where over.

inmytree

aaah...the good ol' days...

just look how far we've come and how much safer we are...

norm

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floyd1975

Even I will admit that is one of the bigger PR blunders in recent memory.

polaris

zstillings wrote:

Even I will admit that is one of the bigger PR blunders in recent memory.

was it?

it really only is a PR blunder if there was a price to pay - he continues to do as he pleases without regard so, really - it did the job it had to do then - everything else is irrelevant ...

floyd1975

polaris wrote:

was it?

it really only is a PR blunder if there was a price to pay - he continues to do as he pleases without regard so, really - it did the job it had to do then - everything else is irrelevant ...

Absolutely. Some people point to that in their unfavorable analysis of the administration. Every President is concerned with his legacy.

even flow?

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/1886000/1886369.hmedium.jpg

http://www.objector.org/awol/graphics/cargo_dead.jpg

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/codpiece.jpg

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/23/iraq_gallery/image5l.jpg


http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/bush_abraham_lincoln_pmm115.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_kia_iraq_00002.jpg

polaris

zstillings wrote:

Absolutely. Some people point to that in their unfavorable analysis of the administration. Every President is concerned with his legacy.

1. do you honestly think he cares?
2. the laundry list is so long - this is but a piece of dust in a vaccuum cleaner ...

at the time - many people bought into that farce, and that was the only purpose ... so, i don't see it as a blunder at all ... it worked great then and that is all that mattered ...

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

Even I will admit that is one of the bigger PR blunders in recent memory.

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I don't know...
From a Neo-Conservative's point of view... at that specific time... it was the right thing to do. The Carrier Landing was a perfect photo op after an overwhelming military defeat. A blitzkrieg assault and the toppling of statues and happy Iraqi faces (mostly because of the shit they were scoring during the looting binge). Troops come home to a ticker tape parade in N.Y.C... a solemn speech at ground zero on the anniversary of the attacks would insure a crushing landslide defeat of anyone the Democrats put up against Bush in the 2004 elections... even if they put Jesus Himself against Bush. It was the perfect plan... if Plan A was the only outcome.
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A lesson for President Bush and his clan... 'Plan B'. You should have had one.

floyd1975

polaris wrote:

1. do you honestly think he cares?
2. the laundry list is so long - this is but a piece of dust in a vaccuum cleaner ...

at the time - many people bought into that farce, and that was the only purpose ... so, i don't see it as a blunder at all ... it worked great then and that is all that mattered ...

I know he cares. People from the Administration have been seen dropping the word "legacy" during many public appearances recently. Also, this is one of the more concrete videos out there of the President being wrong about something. Many of the accusations that get thrown around this forum are nowhere near concrete. They are beliefs that do not make as much of a dent in the overall approval rating. The internet in general, this forum being no exception, tends to represent a more extremist ideology than a typical public opinion poll.

I forgot to reply that it did serve the purpose at that time. It was a great short term move. It became a mistake later on.

polaris

zstillings wrote:

I know he cares. People from the Administration have been seen dropping the word "legacy" during many public appearances recently. Also, this is one of the more concrete videos out there of the President being wrong about something. Many of the accusations that get thrown around this forum are nowhere near concrete. They are beliefs that do not make as much of a dent in the overall approval rating. The internet in general, this forum being no exception, tends to represent a more extremist ideology than a typical public opinion poll.

I forgot to reply that it did serve the purpose at that time. It was a great short term move. It became a mistake later on.

well ... agree to disagree then ...

if he was truly concerned about his legacy - maybe he would do something about climate change or do something about this war ... or not continue to appoint partisan cronies to key posts ... he hasn't changed one iota ...

lastly, this president purposefully lied to take your country to war ... forget about wiretaps, patriot act, fraud elections, conspiracy theories on whatever ... this is what he will always be remembered for and the american people did nothing ... so, to me - if no one is gonna do anything about that - they ain't gonna care about a little rah rah speech then either ...

josevolution

the proof is in the pudding .......

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

I know he cares. People from the Administration have been seen dropping the word "legacy" during many public appearances recently. Also, this is one of the more concrete videos out there of the President being wrong about something. Many of the accusations that get thrown around this forum are nowhere near concrete. They are beliefs that do not make as much of a dent in the overall approval rating. The internet in general, this forum being no exception, tends to represent a more extremist ideology than a typical public opinion poll.

I forgot to reply that it did serve the purpose at that time. It was a great short term move. It became a mistake later on.

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I don't know...
The shots of him sitting there, dumbfounded as airliners crashed into buildings doesn't help. I mean, even President Gilligan would have quietly excused himself from an elementary school reading lesson and gone out to the motorcade to get the latest information on the attacks.
And don't forget the Katrina disaster... and his reply when he was asked whether or not he made mistakes... or the State Of The Union Address where he proclaimed Iraq had acquired nuclear materials from Africa... or the other State Of The Union Address where Steroids in Baseball and Missions to Mars trumped the War in Iraq on the priority list. There are plenty of examples of the way this guy operates.
Bush's legacy? The WORST President in the history of Worst Presidents.

floyd1975

polaris wrote:

well ... agree to disagree then ...

if he was truly concerned about his legacy - maybe he would do something about climate change or do something about this war ... or not continue to appoint partisan cronies to key posts ... he hasn't changed one iota ...

lastly, this president purposefully lied to take your country to war ... forget about wiretaps, patriot act, fraud elections, conspiracy theories on whatever ... this is what he will always be remembered for and the american people did nothing ... so, to me - if no one is gonna do anything about that - they ain't gonna care about a little rah rah speech then either ...

We do know that his legacy will include the public opinion polls of right now but the rest of that list was made up of mainly opinions that are held by the internet posters right now. There have always been conspiracy theorists during Presidencies. They usually fall out of memory by the time a legacy is really built which is why I say that the majority of opinions held on this board and on many blogs around the internet do not impact the long term legacy of this Administration.

polaris

Cosmo wrote:

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Bush's legacy? The WORST President in the history of Worst Presidents.

there is no fixing this ...

polaris

zstillings wrote:

We do know that his legacy will include the public opinion polls of right now but the rest of that list was made up of mainly opinions that are held by the internet posters right now. There have always been conspiracy theorists during Presidencies. They usually fall out of memory by the time a legacy is really built which is why I say that the majority of opinions held on this board and on many blogs around the internet do not impact the long term legacy of this Administration.

with each passing day - more theories become fact and the truth is told ... his legacy will only get worse ...

in any case - he lied to take a country to war - no one should ever forget that and no one will ...

PJ_Saluki

zstillings wrote:

I forgot to reply that it did serve the purpose at that time. It was a great short term move. It became a mistake later on.

Shouldn't POTUS be concerned with long-term moves? Short-term is shit.

floyd1975

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Shouldn't POTUS be concerned with long-term moves? Short-term is shit.

Yes. This brings us full circle back to my first post in this thread.

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

We do know that his legacy will include the public opinion polls of right now but the rest of that list was made up of mainly opinions that are held by the internet posters right now. There have always been conspiracy theorists during Presidencies. They usually fall out of memory by the time a legacy is really built which is why I say that the majority of opinions held on this board and on many blogs around the internet do not impact the long term legacy of this Administration.

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I have to disagree. What is Nixon's legacy? The fact that his diplomatic efforts opened the doors to Red China without any threat of military action? Ushering the end of the War in Viet Nam? No... Watergate. And Clinton will be stuck with Monica Lewinski's lips on his dick for decades.
What do you believe Bush's legacy will be? Social Security reform? Steriods removed from baseball? Homeland Security? Immigration Enforcement? Hurricane Katrina response? War on Terror? War in Iraq? How have the past 7 years been better for the average American?

floyd1975

Cosmo wrote:

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I have to disagree. What is Nixon's legacy? The fact that his diplomatic efforts opened the doors to Red China without any threat of military action? Ushering the end of the War in Viet Nam? No... Watergate. And Clinton will be stuck with Monica Lewinski's lips on his dick for decades.
What do you believe Bush's legacy will be? Social Security reform? Steriods removed from baseball? Homeland Security? Immigration Enforcement? Hurricane Katrina response? War on Terror? War in Iraq? How have the past 7 years been better for the average American?

The war, good or bad. He believes in what he is doing meaning that staying the course is going to be his legacy. He believes that it is for the best. To say that he is doing nothing to help his legacy though is one-sided.

polaris

zstillings wrote:

The war, good or bad. He believes in what he is doing meaning that staying the course is going to be his legacy. He believes that it is for the best. To say that he is doing nothing to help his legacy though is one-sided.

crikey ... if "staying the course" is his legacy ... he's in trouble already ...