The IRG would go the way of the Republican Guard in short order if they actively confronted the US...
I'm not talking about direct confrontation. Do you really think that attack Iran would help the US in it's efforts to bring some unity in Iraq. Do you really think that Shia leaders like Muqtada al-Sadr, Ayatollah al-Sistani, and Abdul Aziz al-Hakim will look upon these actions favorably. al-Hakim who heads the largest and most influential Shia political party in Iraq has close ties to Iran and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. We can ill afford to have these power and influential men as our enemies when we are trying to bring them to the table to unify the waring factions in Iraq. Do you really want our soldiers living, sleeping, training, eating and fighting side by side with men who are loyal to these Shia leaders in the event that they turn on us.
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let's remember who put those borders in place. they were drawn up purely for the convenience of the imperialists, not the local people and without any consideration for them.
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Oh... I know.
I say we erase all of the lines on the maps of the Middle East... lock them all in a room and let them draw them up... and YES... you guys have to draw out an area for Israel based pretty much on whar the Bible says. The rest of the place... you can carve up the way you want. and you don't get out of the room until you figure it out.
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I understand what you are saying. Ahmadinejad is a nut and there is probably no reasoning with him, but he is also loosing support with in his own government. I believe that now would be the time to engage, diplomatically, certain people within Iran's government. Maybe we task the EU, UN, or Arab League to initiate the talks. Bring about a resolution that would be favorable to all parties and at the same time increase the power of the opposition to Ahmadinejad in Iran. I'm not saying that it's the best solution or that it will work, but military strikes will not work. Ahmadinejad can then fire up his ant-American and anti-Israeli rhetoric and point to the strikes as proof that we mean to destroy them.
This is true. But the alternative is far worse. We have seen the consequences of the Islamic bomb in Pakistan. The minute they had it, they were exporting it to anyone who wanted it. The extent of damage from the Pakistani program is probably being kept from the public because it's far too scary to imagine. For those who aren't aware, the father of Pakistan's program was responsible for helping North Korea start their program and was trying to get the technology to Libya for them to start a program. This is fact. Where does it end? Every mad dictator in the world gets a nuke? Im sorry but MAD will not work in some countires where people are either so desparate, they might use them, or so xenophobic that they themselves would choose death just to enact revenge on us or a friend. It has to stop now. If airstrikes are the only thing that can get it done, lets get it done. We have seen what the UN is capable of. Butkiss.
This is true. But the alternative is far worse. We have seen the consequences of the Islamic bomb in Pakistan. The minute they had it, they were exporting it to anyone who wanted it. The extent of damage from the Pakistani program is probably being kept from the public because it's far too scary to imagine. For those who aren't aware, the father of Pakistan's program was responsible for helping North Korea start their program and was trying to get the technology to Libya for them to start a program. This is fact. Where does it end? Every mad dictator in the world gets a nuke? Im sorry but MAD will not work in some countires where people are either so desparate, they might use them, or so xenophobic that they themselves would choose death just to enact revenge on us or a friend. It has to stop now. If airstrikes are the only thing that can get it done, lets get it done. We have seen what the UN is capable of. Butkiss.
Here is a scenerio. We or Israel launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear sites. We hit some but not all, only setting them back a few years. The Shia's in Iraq who are closely allied with Iran, like al-Sistani, al-Sadr, or al-Hazim start calling for a Shia uprising agaisnt US forces for their part and or support for the attacks against their Shia brothers. All of a sudden the Shias that where fighting side by side with our troops are taking shots at them. The opposition to Ahmadinejad is now weakened because he has fired up his countrymen with his anti-American/anti-Israeli rhetoric. So now not only have we not destroyed all of Iran's nuclear sites but we have made more enemies in Iraq and given Iran's government a reason to double their efforts in obtaining a nuclear weapon and using it.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Here is a scenerio. We or Israel launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear sites. We hit some but not all, only setting them back a few years. The Shia's in Iraq who are closely allied with Iran, like al-Sistani, al-Sadr, or al-Hazim start calling for a Shia uprising agaisnt US forces for their part and or support for the attacks against their Shia brothers. All of a sudden the Shias that where fighting side by side with our troops are taking shots at them. The opposition to Ahmadinejad is now weakened because he has fired up his countrymen with his anti-American/anti-Israeli rhetoric. So now not only have we not destroyed all of Iran's nuclear sites but we have made more enemies in Iraq and given Iran's government a reason to double their efforts in obtaining a nuclear weapon and using it.
Sure possible. But using a nuclear weapon for any country that uses one on us is complete suicide for that nation. I think only Kim Jong Il is that crazy. Frankly I think Ahmadnijad is nothing more than a provocoteur. I mean how over the top is having a Holcaust Denial conference while at the same time trying to obtain Nukes? He is simply trying to bait the Israeli's and they know it. If Iran can bait Israel to strike, that might ignite the regional war he is looking for. But make no mistake. Iran is not Iraq. They are ethnically not the same, and religiously not the same as the majority of the arab world. I think they are making a big mistake if they think they can be the ones to rally the muslim world. As we are seeing once again in Iraq, the greatest enemy to Arab unity are the Arabs themselves. The US and Israel are but two in a long line of scapegoats the arabs have to blame for their own internal chaos which has been going on for many centuries now. Israel has contingency plans to strike Iran and they made no secret about under Sharon. Just google it. But so do we. I think we would have to be well on our way to being out in Iraq before the airstrikes happen. But make no mistake, they will happen.
Sure possible. But using a nuclear weapon for any country that uses one on us is complete suicide for that nation. I think only Kim Jong Il is that crazy. Frankly I think Ahmadnijad is nothing more than a provocoteur. I mean how over the top is having a Holcaust Denial conference while at the same time trying to obtain Nukes? He is simply trying to bait the Israeli's and they know it. If Iran can bait Israel to strike, that might ignite the regional war he is looking for. But make no mistake. Iran is not Iraq. They are ethnically not the same, and religiously not the same as the majority of the arab world. I think they are making a big mistake if they think they can be the ones to rally the muslim world. As we are seeing once again in Iraq, the greatest enemy to Arab unity are the Arabs themselves. The US and Israel are but two in a long line of scapegoats the arabs have to blame for their own internal chaos which has been going on for many centuries now. Israel has contingency plans to strike Iran and they made no secret about under Sharon. Just google it. But so do we. I think we would have to be well on our way to being out in Iraq before the airstrikes happen. But make no mistake, they will happen.
I agree with everything you just said except that I hope we find a solution to this problem before military force is used.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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I'm not talking about direct confrontation. Do you really think that attack Iran would help the US in it's efforts to bring some unity in Iraq. Do you really think that Shia leaders like Muqtada al-Sadr, Ayatollah al-Sistani, and Abdul Aziz al-Hakim will look upon these actions favorably. al-Hakim who heads the largest and most influential Shia political party in Iraq has close ties to Iran and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. We can ill afford to have these power and influential men as our enemies when we are trying to bring them to the table to unify the waring factions in Iraq. Do you really want our soldiers living, sleeping, training, eating and fighting side by side with men who are loyal to these Shia leaders in the event that they turn on us.
Oh... I know.
I say we erase all of the lines on the maps of the Middle East... lock them all in a room and let them draw them up... and YES... you guys have to draw out an area for Israel based pretty much on whar the Bible says. The rest of the place... you can carve up the way you want. and you don't get out of the room until you figure it out.
Hail, Hail!!!
This is true. But the alternative is far worse. We have seen the consequences of the Islamic bomb in Pakistan. The minute they had it, they were exporting it to anyone who wanted it. The extent of damage from the Pakistani program is probably being kept from the public because it's far too scary to imagine. For those who aren't aware, the father of Pakistan's program was responsible for helping North Korea start their program and was trying to get the technology to Libya for them to start a program. This is fact. Where does it end? Every mad dictator in the world gets a nuke? Im sorry but MAD will not work in some countires where people are either so desparate, they might use them, or so xenophobic that they themselves would choose death just to enact revenge on us or a friend. It has to stop now. If airstrikes are the only thing that can get it done, lets get it done. We have seen what the UN is capable of. Butkiss.
Here is a scenerio. We or Israel launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear sites. We hit some but not all, only setting them back a few years. The Shia's in Iraq who are closely allied with Iran, like al-Sistani, al-Sadr, or al-Hazim start calling for a Shia uprising agaisnt US forces for their part and or support for the attacks against their Shia brothers. All of a sudden the Shias that where fighting side by side with our troops are taking shots at them. The opposition to Ahmadinejad is now weakened because he has fired up his countrymen with his anti-American/anti-Israeli rhetoric. So now not only have we not destroyed all of Iran's nuclear sites but we have made more enemies in Iraq and given Iran's government a reason to double their efforts in obtaining a nuclear weapon and using it.
Sure possible. But using a nuclear weapon for any country that uses one on us is complete suicide for that nation. I think only Kim Jong Il is that crazy. Frankly I think Ahmadnijad is nothing more than a provocoteur. I mean how over the top is having a Holcaust Denial conference while at the same time trying to obtain Nukes? He is simply trying to bait the Israeli's and they know it. If Iran can bait Israel to strike, that might ignite the regional war he is looking for. But make no mistake. Iran is not Iraq. They are ethnically not the same, and religiously not the same as the majority of the arab world. I think they are making a big mistake if they think they can be the ones to rally the muslim world. As we are seeing once again in Iraq, the greatest enemy to Arab unity are the Arabs themselves. The US and Israel are but two in a long line of scapegoats the arabs have to blame for their own internal chaos which has been going on for many centuries now. Israel has contingency plans to strike Iran and they made no secret about under Sharon. Just google it. But so do we. I think we would have to be well on our way to being out in Iraq before the airstrikes happen. But make no mistake, they will happen.
I agree with everything you just said except that I hope we find a solution to this problem before military force is used.