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Immigrants drive economic growth

mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyimmig075083713feb07,0,2427206.story

I came across this article yesterday on my way to work and found it interesting. I thought I would post it to so those out there that view 3rd world immigrants as a cancer upon this nation could see how wrong they are.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Ummm...if we followed our policies and procedures they would be nothing more than a drain because they would all be in jail or deported (all costing the taxpayer).

    WEehave to correct the issues within that policy to allow for an easier procedure to enter legally and then we have to enforce that policy 100%.

    Interesting article...but it's a pretty basic concept really...cheap labor = cheaper goods = more competitive products = more accessible products to all wealth classes = economic boost. ;)
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  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Remember when that Forbes guy ran for pres back in the 90's? He wanted to establish a 5th branch of the armed forces called border patrol.

    I really think he was on to something there.

    I'm ALL for imigrants and I think our policies should change to accomodate more of them.

    At the same time, I'm ALL against illegal imigration and border jumpers.

    I hate how this quickly turns into a racism or nationalist issue when people say we should secure our borders. It's so irresponsible and juvenille, yet the media and our leaders eat it up!
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    NCfan wrote:
    Remember when that Forbes guy ran for pres back in the 90's? He wanted to establish a 5th branch of the armed forces called border patrol.

    I really think he was on to something there.

    I'm ALL for imigrants and I think our policies should change to accomodate more of them.

    At the same time, I'm ALL against illegal imigration and border jumpers.

    I hate how this quickly turns into a racism or nationalist issue when people say we should secure our borders. It's so irresponsible and juvenille, yet the media and our leaders eat it up!


    If Forbes had been president we would also have a flat tax.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If Forbes had been president we would also have a flat tax.

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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyimmig075083713feb07,0,2427206.story

    I came across this article yesterday on my way to work and found it interesting. I thought I would post it to so those out there that view 3rd world immigrants as a cancer upon this nation could see how wrong they are.

    are you fucking high?!!


    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm


    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/29/illegal-aliens-cost-new-jersey-more-than-21-billion-annually/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davickservices.com%2Fillegal_aliens_cost_nj.htm&frame=true


    http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm


    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275


    http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html


    http://mainstreamiowan.blogspot.com/2006/05/what-illegal-immigrants-cost-taxpayers.html


    http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001110.html

    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171766


    and this is why it's allowed to happen,thank your President.

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53599

    say good bye to the bill of rights and US Sovereignty.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    JamMastaE wrote:
    are you fucking high?!!


    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm


    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/29/illegal-aliens-cost-new-jersey-more-than-21-billion-annually/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davickservices.com%2Fillegal_aliens_cost_nj.htm&frame=true


    http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm


    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275


    http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html


    http://mainstreamiowan.blogspot.com/2006/05/what-illegal-immigrants-cost-taxpayers.html


    http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001110.html

    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171766


    and this is why it's allowed to happen,thank your President.

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53599

    say good bye to the bill of rights and US Sovereignty.

    This is referring to legal immigrants, not illegal. So no I'm not fucking high but thank you for the well thought out response. I posted this in regards to CorporateWhore's idea that all immigrants from 3rd world countries are a drain on this country.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyimmig075083713feb07,0,2427206.story

    I came across this article yesterday on my way to work and found it interesting. I thought I would post it to so those out there that view 3rd world immigrants as a cancer upon this nation could see how wrong they are.
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  • Last ExodusLast Exodus Posts: 782
    great post.
  • PHAN1217PHAN1217 Posts: 15
    illegal aliens = good for the U.S. government, of course they will never tell you this. i work for the government on the state level and the fact of the matter is that more often than not illegal aliens are not working under the table and reeping the benefits. More often then not these illegal aliens are working under fake social security #'s or even worse other people's social security numbers (and they never even know it). Now unless employer's verify these people's ss #'s (which more often then not don't), these people start to pay federal and state taxes, social security, medicare, etc. Now if these people are caught, the government is still absorbing all this money generated by these people, and if they are not, they will never try to collect on things like tax refunds, social security, for fear of being caught. There is no way for the government to lose on illegal aliens. We (the U.S. government)spend billions of dollars on god knows what in this country, if they wanted to curb the illegal alien problem in this country, it could be taken care of.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyimmig075083713feb07,0,2427206.story

    I came across this article yesterday on my way to work and found it interesting. I thought I would post it to so those out there that view 3rd world immigrants as a cancer upon this nation could see how wrong they are.

    you're kidding right? just goes to show how many one sided articles there are. if this is true; why are many states passing legislation to keep these people from suckling the teats of our society?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    onelongsong wrote:
    you're kidding right? just goes to show how many one sided articles there are. if this is true; why are many states passing legislation to keep these people from suckling the teats of our society?

    No I'm not. This article is about legal immigrants not illegal. Why is it that anytime someone mentions immigrants people automatically think illegal. NYC has benefited greatly from it's large immigrant population. These people have brought life back to neighborhoods that where left to decay. I will state this again. I posted this article not to defend illegal immigration but to counter CorporateWhore's notion that all immigrants, legal and illegal, that come from 3rd world countries are a drain on our country.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    For anyone interested here is a link to a PDF of the study.

    http://www.nycfuture.org/images_pdfs/pdfs/IE-final.pdf
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    mammasan wrote:
    No I'm not. This article is about legal immigrants not illegal. Why is it that anytime someone mentions immigrants people automatically think illegal. NYC has benefited greatly from it's large immigrant population. These people have brought life back to neighborhoods that where left to decay. I will state this again. I posted this article not to defend illegal immigration but to counter CorporateWhore's notion that all immigrants, legal and illegal, that come from 3rd world countries are a drain on our country.


    your right i jumped the gun,my bad.
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  • Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    onelongsong wrote:
    you're kidding right? just goes to show how many one sided articles there are. if this is true; why are many states passing legislation to keep these people from suckling the teats of our society?


    You're never going to be taken seriously if you insist on using phrases like "...suckling the teats of our society".
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    mammasan wrote:
    This is referring to legal immigrants, not illegal. So no I'm not fucking high but thank you for the well thought out response. I posted this in regards to CorporateWhore's idea that all immigrants from 3rd world countries are a drain on this country.

    Don't sweat. He does that to everyone.
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  • Matt8townsendMatt8townsend Posts: 112
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.amny.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyimmig075083713feb07,0,2427206.story

    I came across this article yesterday on my way to work and found it interesting. I thought I would post it to so those out there that view 3rd world immigrants as a cancer upon this nation could see how wrong they are.

    The fact that immigrants make a net contribution to our countries GDP has been a matter of public record in the UK for years now - but most people choose to ignore the facts and buy the tabloid line that they are spongers and a drain on our economy.

    Personally I never understood the rationale behind that view - even if you look at illegal immigrants. As if people who have the courage and determination to leave their home, friends and family - everything they've ever known and found safe, familiar and comfortable to hide out in the back of a truck and risk incarceration are suddenly gonna transform into lazy spongers who can't be bothered to get out of bed in the morning and just wanna live off handouts when they get here. I mean if nothing else, you have to agree that the type of person whose gonna do that is likely to have a good work ethic right?
  • RavennaSeattle1911RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
    but it doesnt say illegal immigrants does it?illegal is bad

    and whos growth ? not mine i suppose but corporations

    just because econmy is better which it isnt, means nothing -money isnt everything

    should economy be the deciding factor? you think business should control our flow of imigrants? --thats what mussilini called fascism-"corporatism"

    the supreme ruled 5 to 4 corporations rule america and can take whats ours

    well screw them to hell

    boycott mayjor corparations that are scum!!

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:
    but it doesnt say illegal immigrants does it?illegal is bad

    and whos growth ? not mine i suppose but corporations

    just because econmy is better which it isnt, means nothing -money isnt everything

    should economy be the deciding factor? you think business should control our flow of imigrants? --thats what mussilini called fascism-"corporatism"

    the supreme ruled 5 to 4 corporations rule america and can take whats ours

    well screw them to hell

    boycott mayjor corparations that are scum!!

    boycott miller beer and cargill meats

    Did you look at the study or did you decide to just overlook it and post incoherant ramblings.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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