Welcome to Iran!

ArmsinaV

Evidently, there has been a huge crackdown on dissidents in recent months. The bottom two links are Iranians being forced to put their mouths on containers that people use to wash their a$$holes.


http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11311

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

...looks like they're smoking huge bongs...

Are you saying the police in the US never lean on protesters and rough them up?

ArmsinaV

Actually, what I'm saying is that there's been a crackdown in recent months. Thousands of students have been arrested for a variety of "violations", some as frivolous as wearing un-Islamic clothing.

Why do you bring up the US?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ArmsinaV wrote:

Actually, what I'm saying is that there's been a crackdown in recent months. Thousands of students have been arrested for a variety of "violations", some as frivolous as wearing un-Islamic clothing.

Why do you bring up the US?

Everyone has their take on who the bad guy is. Like it or hate it the US needs Iran....and strong ties with Iran.

I cringe when I see pro US potential propaganda like the US is so justified and squeaky clean in comparison.

Actually I think the the world needs more civil disobedience (and lots of it) in large scale groups because, quite plainly, the governments of the world are going way too far in exercising power in controlling their citizens.

Hartydog

Interesting story today about rioting in Iran last night due to gasoline rationing. a country rich in oil yet they import over 50% of their gasoline. lack of refining capacity

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I cringe when I see pro US potential propaganda like the US is so justified and squeaky clean in comparison.

Well, thank the gods we have you to balance all of that out with your negative propaganda, then. You do us a great service.

ArmsinaV

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Everyone has their take on who the bad guy is. Like it or hate it the US needs Iran....and strong ties with Iran.

I cringe when I see pro US potential propaganda like the US is so justified and squeaky clean in comparison.

Actually I think the the world needs more civil disobedience (and lots of it) in large scale groups because, quite plainly, the governments of the world are going way too far in exercising power in controlling their citizens.

So, you cringe when you see an Iranian being forced to suck on an a$$cleaner.....but NOT because it's humiliating and awful. Instead because it's actually "US potential propaganda"?

jlew24asu

ArmsinaV wrote:

So, you cringe when you see an Iranian being forced to suck on an a$$cleaner.....but NOT because it's humiliating and awful. Instead because it's actually "US potential propaganda"?

amazing isnt it

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

Well, thank the gods we have you to balance all of that out with your negative propaganda, then. You do us a great service.

Seriously. Can you honestly say and think that Bush & Cheney are doing a good job in representing Americans locally and abroad?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ArmsinaV wrote:

So, you cringe when you see an Iranian being forced to suck on an a$$cleaner.....but NOT because it's humiliating and awful. Instead because it's actually "US potential propaganda"?

Well I see it as anything showing another country in a negative fashion (especially Iran) right now as potential pro US propaganda. Yes. The US is pending a potential war with them remember (not excluding nuclear strikes as "military option") That doesn't seem too far a stretch.

Where did you get the info it was for cleaning a$$ in the article?

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Seriously. Can you honestly say and think that Bush & Cheney are doing a good job in representing Americans locally and abroad?

Absolutely not. I didn't vote for them, and I don't approve of their performance.

But this was a thread about Iran. And for a few posters, any thread about any country dealing with any topic will always come back to a negative US post. That was the observation being made.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

Absolutely not. I didn't vote for them, and I don't approve of their performance.

But this was a thread about Iran. And for a few posters, any thread about any country dealing with any topic will always come back to a negative US post. That was the observation being made.

Unfortunately those are the times we live in man. There's a strong US/Iran connection going on at the moment that will become the focal point of what is to be the fate of this world in regards to military intervention over the next 5-10 years and beyond.

When someone shows pics of Iranian protesters getting stepped on saying "hey welcome to Iran" (the nuthouse?) perhaps implying that the place is run by a bunch of radical tyrants lets not forget how not out of place or or unfamiliar of a situation this really is around the world when people protest. Protesters have been shot, beaten and dragged by their hair in the States as well. I'd take the ass gas can lick (if that's what it was) over a rubber bullet or beanbag round. Degrading, but you can spit it away.

The US and Iran are going to have to be good friends somehow. Every President involved with Iran prior to Bush seems to have realized this.

Now we have This Bush guy who has now declared Iran an "Axis of evil" country, undoing years of any positive U.S. relations in an instant, and has even publicly stated he may even use nukes against them if necessary. Oh great.

Iran will have nukes in 10 years no matter what the US says or does. If we start now we might get into their good books again before then, and become allies enough to wind out the Iraq mess successfully.

It needed an injection of reality.

even flow?

ArmsinaV wrote:

Evidently, there has been a huge crackdown on dissidents in recent months. The bottom two links are Iranians being forced to put their mouths on containers that people use to wash their a$$holes.


http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11311

Those pics look no different then the G7 and now G8 summits when the youth supposedly get out of line and then the MAN has to quell things. Name me any government that dosen't take down an uprising.

Those could have been from an Iraq/Iran friendly in football.

Abookamongstthemany

Well, this thread is obviously meant to demonize Iran. The same thing happened with Iraq. It's meant to justify any actions used against them. Horrible shit happens all over the world but it seems many of people on here only bring up the countries this adminstration happens to be harping about at the time.

hailhailkc

Nothing to see here. Move on folks…nothing to see. We have McDonalds to bring down, people are eating meat for God's sake, some people are even drinking milk and soda pop. Let's try to focus on the real issues here at home. Nothing to see here people…move on. Let's try to take care of some real problems…like not putting a baby Jesus nativity scene on the courthouse lawn…or making sure Wal-Mart employees who couldn't make it through high-school have the ability to earn $90,000 per year with full health benefits that are 100% paid for.

Nothing to see here. Move on folks…nothing to see.

RainDog

hailhailkc wrote:

Nothing to see here. Move on folks…nothing to see.

There's plenty to see there. One thing I don't see is a need for U.S. military involvement, though. Those people are protesting their own government. If we bomb them, we put them on the side of that same government.

Cosmo

Iran has ALWAYS been the major threat to stability in the Middle East. After the 1991 Gulf War and the de-fanging of Saddam Hussein, Iran was pretty much left alone to pursue a nuclear program.
The thing I fear is the Shi'ite majority in Iraq aligning with their cohorts in Iran (after the American military trains and equips them). I mean, the Shi'ia are the majority in the region and I can easily picture them flocking together. The Iman Ali Mosque in Najaf, Iraq is the Holiest Shrine to the Shi'ia. I Imagine the Hussein restrictions of immigrating Shi'ia for their mandatory pilgimage have been lifted.
And remember, kiddies... the Shi'ites are the wonderful people who brought us the Ayatollah Khomeini, the Islamic Revolution and Hezbollah.

Purple Hawk

RainDog wrote:

There's plenty to see there. One thing I don't see is a need for U.S. military involvement, though. Those people are protesting their own government. If we bomb them, we put them on the side of that same government.

who is saying we should bomb them?

why are posts like this met with all kinds of false assumptions?

so ok, original poster says: iranian government is not really big on restraint:

responses:
1. u.s. is to blame
2. only if dc police had the same restraint during the world bank protests
3. this is hatemongering, we are demonizing iran. how dare you judge another government?
4. we can't bomb iran.

how do these responses relate to the original post AT ALL?

what's amazing is that if this happened at club gitmo, you people* would be ranting and raving about torture.

* Cosmo exempt, good take!

ArmsinaV

My point with this post was simply to expose a few pics I found particularly shocking. I was not "implying" that Iran is run by radical tyrants. I would say that directly, and it is absolutely true.

It's interesting that so many take a stance on this board like they did. Interesting, but not surprising. Any ties to Bush, bombing Iran, Iraq, justifying war, etc., were made by those who brought them up.

Roland: I think the US should aid the dissent as much as is resonsible and possible without military help. Aid them, and any other group, that is trying to buck an absolutist regime. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we'll have to deal with a nuclear-capable Iran. It's certainly a difficult situation, but we don't have to be allies with them in the long term.

RainDog

Purple Hawk wrote:

who is saying we should bomb them?

why are posts like this met with all kinds of false assumptions?

so ok, original poster says: iranian government is not really big on restraint:

responses:
1. u.s. is to blame
2. only if dc police had the same restraint during the world bank protests
3. this is hatemongering, we are demonizing iran. how dare you judge another government?
4. we can't bomb iran.

how do these responses relate to the original post AT ALL?

what's amazing is that if this happened at club gitmo, you people* would be ranting and raving about torture.

* Cosmo exempt, good take!

My post was solely a reply to hailhailkc. In it, I stated that there is plenty to see - i.e. the Iranian government has some serious problems. What's the solution, though? Did the original post have anything to do with McDonald's, baby Jesus, or Wal-Mart? Are you saying that there aren't a lot of right-wingers out there who think an invasion is a good idea? Are you saying that there aren't even more right-wingers who think that a few bombs are necessary? Hell, there are probably a number of left-wingers who think a couple of bombs might do the trick.

Now, where did I say that America is the problem? In fact, my position on this is that America isn't the problem here, and I don't want to see people drumming up support for America becoming the problem.