I Don't Understand the Mentality of Movin Train Posters re: Pope comments

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rationalthought
rationalthought Posts: 15
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
Israel has been facing this same exact situation for years. Whenever the Palestinians don't get exactly what they want, they riot. They kidnap. They murder. They make threats of Death to Israel, Death to Jews. And, this board has defended their actions for years.

Now, that they have directed their aggression at the Pope (it was only a matter of time before Christianity got involved), the Board takes the opposite view that they are acting ridiculously.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    rationalthought wrote:
    Israel has been facing this same exact situation for years. Whenever the Palestinians don't get exactly what they want, they riot. They kidnap. They murder. They make threats of Death to Israel, Death to Jews. And, this board has defended their actions for years.

    Now, that they have directed their aggression at the Pope (it was only a matter of time before Christianity got involved), the Board takes the opposite view that they are acting ridiculously.


    i know the pope is old and that sorta gives off a...nice hopeless... he must be decent image... but lets still not forget the catholic past.... he sure hasn't..

    this is not in defense of comments to kill him. i dont believe in extremist ideals. i promote peace :)

    but the facts are there...these pope's may wear white... but their skin has been washed from red.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    rationalthought wrote:
    Israel has been facing this same exact situation for years. Whenever the Palestinians don't get exactly what they want, they riot. They kidnap. They murder. They make threats of Death to Israel, Death to Jews. And, this board has defended their actions for years.

    Now, that they have directed their aggression at the Pope (it was only a matter of time before Christianity got involved), the Board takes the opposite view that they are acting ridiculously.

    I don't know ... A lot of the pro-Palestine people are also the ones jumping in and blaming the West for these people's actions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the apologists are at least being consistent.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Must be the religious pecking order and where you and yours sits in it.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I don't know ... A lot of the pro-Palestine people are also the ones jumping in and blaming the West for these people's actions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the apologists are at least being consistent.


    Accepting responsibity and apologist are two different things.. Its not until you accept your portion of responsibility in a conflict that resolution can begin.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Accepting responsibity and apologist are two different things.. Its not until you accept your portion of responsibility in a conflict that resolution can begin.

    Agreed ... But I believe that I have seen people do both of these things. I also agree with your use of the term "portion".
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    rationalthought wrote:
    Whenever the Palestinians don't get exactly what they want, they riot. They kidnap. They murder.

    And what exactly is it that Palestinians want? Do you mean that it is wrong of them to riot, kidnap, and murder when confronted with a far more powerful aggressive occupying army which kidnaps and murders them at will?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    rationalthought wrote:
    Israel has been facing this same exact situation for years. Whenever the Palestinians don't get exactly what they want, they riot. They kidnap. They murder. They make threats of Death to Israel, Death to Jews. And, this board has defended their actions for years.

    Now, that they have directed their aggression at the Pope (it was only a matter of time before Christianity got involved), the Board takes the opposite view that they are acting ridiculously.

    I don't understand your mentality in linking the Palestinian conflict and the current mess of the month together....I fail to see the connection...
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And what exactly is it that Palestinians want? Do you mean that it is wrong of them to riot, kidnap, and murder

    Yes. It is wrong. Murdering and being a suicide bomber is wrong. Having a government which does not accept Israel's right to exist is wrong.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    when confronted with a far more powerful aggressive occupying army which kidnaps and murders them at will?

    False representation of the Israel.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    False representation of the Israel.

    Really? So Israel doesn't, and has never, kidnapped and murdered Palestinians, along with stealing their land and bulldozing their homes?? Interesting. Would you care to elaborate?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    Having a government which does not accept Israel's right to exist is wrong.

    And would you say that it is also wrong for Israel to deny Palestines right to exist?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2148488102378432123&q=Judah+and+mohammad
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I think both the Israelis and Palestinians are assholes for acting like assholes who don't give a fuck if their people kill and die for bullshit reasons.
    ...
    I also feel that if you are going to get on 'celebrities' who express their political opinions, it should also hold true for the Pope... he's a fucking 'celebrity', too. Shouldn't he just shut the fuck up and just Pope?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think both the Israelis and Palestinians are assholes for acting like assholes who don't give a fuck if their people kill and die for bullshit reasons.
    ...
    I also feel that if you are going to get on 'celebrities' who express their political opinions, it should also hold true for the Pope... he's a fucking 'celebrity', too. Shouldn't he just shut the fuck up and just Pope?


    Popein' ain't easy...:D
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    inmytree wrote:
    Popein' ain't easy...:D
    ...
    It's hard out here for a Pope?
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Cosmo wrote:
    Shouldn't he just shut the fuck up and just Pope?

    Probably, yeah ... Although I think this has become more of a free speech issue. Brad Pitt can beak off all he wants, why not the Pope? :)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Probably, yeah ... Although I think this has become more of a free speech issue. Brad Pitt can beak off all he wants, why not the Pope? :)
    ...
    That's what I say. Just because a person's vocation isn't one of politics, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have an opinion on politics, right? If the other case were true, then none of us should have an opinion on anything... including music or movies, unless were were musicians or actors. And there are a lot of shitty movies and horrible music being made out there that we really need to voice up against.
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  • rationalthought
    rationalthought Posts: 15
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Really? So Israel doesn't, and has never, kidnapped and murdered Palestinians, along with stealing their land and bulldozing their homes?? Interesting. Would you care to elaborate?

    The issue is the same, albeit not identical. The Palestinians riot when they do not get their exact way, rather than engage in normal political dialogue. As do these extremists when they do not get their exact way.

    The intifada did not start in response to Israel killing anyone. Let us remember that the intifada began when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount, a holy place in Israel for both Jews and Muslims. Palestinians took such umbrage to this visit that they began bombing pizzerias and busses. This radical intolerance has been stewing in the Palestinian and radical Muslim population for years. But, the world is only now realizing it.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    It's ok for the pope to have an opinion, especially about his own country. However, one thing is for certain the pope will never change. The pope whoever it is will always be against homosexuality, Islam and abortion. He is representative of a religion though and should be more respectful in his statements. Brad Pitt is just representing Brad Pitt, the guy that can't open the doors to his Bugatti. No one cares what Brad Pitt thinks.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Cosmo wrote:
    I also feel that if you are going to get on 'celebrities' who express their political opinions, it should also hold true for the Pope... he's a fucking 'celebrity', too. Shouldn't he just shut the fuck up and just Pope?

    After the pope mobile. Maybe he can have a show, Pope My Ride. ;) They could have flames shooting out from under the car, smoke screens, bullet proof everything, etc.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    rationalthought wrote:
    The intifada did not start in response to Israel killing anyone. Let us remember that the intifada began when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount, a holy place in Israel for both Jews and Muslims. Palestinians took such umbrage to this visit that they began bombing pizzerias and busses.

    And I suppose you believe that the L.A riots had nothing to do with years of black oppression, and disadvantage, and a history of police brutailty towards them? It simply began solely and exclusively as a direct result of the beating of a single black man - Rodney King, right?

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