Say it aint so, Joe (the Plumber)

Brain of J.Lo

...if that is your real name. (It's not, actually.)

Looks like McCain's campaign did as good a job checking out this guy's background as they did checking out Palin...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aejhxaNzMKM

sweet adeline

this guy was certainly not an undecided voter as they played him to be. he was quoted as saying that social security is ridiculous, we should seal our borders and that invading iraq was a good idea, even if there were no WMDs. sounds like a mccain guy to me.

Brain of J.Lo

sweet adeline wrote:

sounds like a mccain guy to me.

haha, yes...through and through.

unsung

sweet adeline wrote:

this guy was certainly not an undecided voter as they played him to be. he was quoted as saying that social security is ridiculous, we should seal our borders and that invading iraq was a good idea, even if there were no WMDs. sounds like a mccain guy to me.

Other than the Iraq thing I agree with him, and I'm not a McCain guy. Besides McCain was the one who authored amnesty for illegal aliens so I don't know how someone wanting the borders sealed makes them a McCain guy.

blondieblue227

it'll be sweet if he doesn't vote mcCain even after all the ass kissing!

sweet adeline

unsung wrote:

Other than the Iraq thing I agree with him, and I'm not a McCain guy. Besides McCain was the one who authored amnesty for illegal aliens so I don't know how someone wanting the borders sealed makes them a McCain guy.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/joe-the-plumber-admits-he-wasn.html

Dirtie_Frank

So what he asked a legit question to Obama and the news jumped all over it. If this was a liberal and asked McCain a question to go against his proposals Keith Olberman would be all over it. My point is who cares about this plumber?

stuckinline

joe the plumber is mccain's best friend

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/

Dirtie_Frank

Why are people trying to smear this guy? Did he do anything wrong? Can someone answer this? Like I said all he did was ask a question. Obama is to the one that said spreadi the wealth.

Commy

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Why are people trying to smear this guy? Did he do anything wrong? Can someone answer this? Like I said all he did was ask a question. Obama is to the one that said spreadi the wealth.

they paint him as undecided, when he's clearly pro-Mccain.

Dirtie_Frank

Commy wrote:

they paint him as undecided, when he's clearly pro-Mccain.

So what he asked Obama about his policies. That is all he did. He did not call Obama a terrorist or spit on him or anything else. He asked him about his tax plan.

sweet adeline

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So what he asked Obama about his policies. That is all he did. He did not call Obama a terrorist or spit on him or anything else. He asked him about his tax plan.

wtf are you talking about?

mccain just brought him up as a tool to somehow show that undecided voters are tending toward he and palin.

Dirtie_Frank

sweet adeline wrote:

wtf are you talking about?

mccain just brought him up as a tool to somehow show that undecided voters are tending toward he and palin.

But Biden and news servies are smearing him. Why? Because he supports McCain?

Speakers

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

But Biden and news servies are smearing him. Why? Because he supports McCain?

He lied to people. He isn't a registered plumber and he owes taxes that he hasn't paid. He doesn't have the means to buy a plumbing company either.

Dirtie_Frank

Speakers wrote:

He lied to people. He isn't a registered plumber and he owes taxes that he hasn't paid. He doesn't have the means to buy a plumbing company either.

So he asked Obama a Hypothetical question then. Does it matter? Politicians lie all the time. He owes 11 hundred in taxes big deal. That gives the press to smear him?

Brain of J.Lo

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

But Biden and news servies are smearing him. Why? Because he supports McCain?

How are they smearing him? Some news organizations have reported on some factual information that happens to be embarrassing for "Joe" and for the McCain campaign. Revealing embarrassing (true) information isn't a smear, and no one would give a damn about "Joe" the "Plumber" if McCain hadn't decided to make him the centerpiece of the debate Wednesday night.

meistereder

By the way, if he is an unlicensed contractor, he's breaking the law in most states. In CA, it's a misdemeanor.

Speakers

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So he asked Obama a Hypothetical question then. Does it matter? Politicians lie all the time. He owes 11 hundred in taxes big deal. That gives the press to smear him?

People don't liked to be decieved and find out the truth on their own. If he had said, "Mr. Obama, hypothetical question here, if i was a plumber and i could affort to buy a business that made 250,000 dollars a year, etc. and by the way I dont pay all my taxes" people wouldn't have called him out. Just my opinion.

I am with you, he probably doesn't deserve the treatment, but I dont think people are saying these things because he is a McCain supporter. I do place a lot of blame on McCain for referencing him so often at the debate. A lot of people ask questions to candidates but it was the McCain camp that pulled this one out and drew attention to it.

Dirtie_Frank

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

How are they smearing him? Some news organizations have reported on some factual information that happens to be embarrassing for "Joe" and for the McCain campaign. Revealing embarrassing (true) information isn't a smear, and no one would give a damn about "Joe" the "Plumber" if McCain hadn't decided to make him the centerpiece of the debate Wednesday night.

Why do they care? The only thing he did was ask Barry a question. I guess if you support McCain you cannot ask him a question.

Speakers

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Why do they care? The only thing he did was ask Barry a question. I guess if you support McCain you cannot ask him a question.

See my above comment

Brain of J.Lo

Speakers wrote:

See my above comment

exactly.

digster

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Why do they care? The only thing he did was ask Barry a question. I guess if you support McCain you cannot ask him a question.

Come on, man. You really think this would be happening if McCain hadn't mentioned him two dozen times during the debate and made him a centerpiece to the argument? Don't give us the liberal media stuff. And I think anyone who can't at least appreciate the unintentional humor in a plumber becoming a centerpiece for the Republican candidate who is not a plumber, owes 2,000 bucks in back taxes, is not registered to vote in the election in which he has become a vital part and will be better off under the Democratic candidate needs to take a step back and take a breath.

melodious

stuckinline wrote:

joe the plumber is mccain's best friend

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/

paid best friend, i would imagine

CitizenRick

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

...if that is your real name. (It's not, actually.)

Looks like McCain's campaign did as good a job checking out this guy's background as they did checking out Palin...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aejhxaNzMKM

This is exactly what I've been saying! This guy just jumps to decisions. He makes snap judgments and then is always proven off the mark in the long run.

Say goodbye to your fifteen minutes!

fugawzi

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So what he asked a legit question to Obama and the news jumped all over it. If this was a liberal and asked McCain a question to go against his proposals Keith Olberman would be all over it. My point is who cares about this plumber?

What are you talking about? Could you possibly be more incorrect? The news jumped all over it? I believe it was JOHN McCAIN who invoked this 'Joe the Plumber' 15 times or 21 times during the debate. No, that wasn't the first people had heard of him, he was actually on RIGHT-WING media before the last debate, but it was JOHN McCAIN who propelled this character into his 15 minutes of fame. So which "news" outlet are you talking about that "jumped all over it"? What the news jumped on was something else you're wrong about, HE'S NOT A PLUMBER and his name is not Joe. Also, he has no intention of buying any business. Looks like McCain needs to get the facts straight. When did it become a smear to get the facts right? Getting the facts right isn't a smear. It's the opposite.

Who cares about 'Joe the Plumber'? John McCain. It's his attempt to disguise his economic and tax policies that would benefit rich people. Joe the Plumber, Joe Sixpack, they're trying to make voters believe they care about average middle class people. Besides the fact that it's not working, 'Joe the plumber' would actually benefit more from Obama's tax plan than McCain's. It's hard to tell that to people who have been brainwashed by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh though.

P.S. Keith's last name is spelled Olbermann, and again it wasn't any media who shined the spotlight on 'Joe the Plumber' it was JOHN McCAIN so your analogy really doesn't make sense. Try again.

prytoj

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

...if that is your real name. (It's not, actually.)

Looks like McCain's campaign did as good a job checking out this guy's background as they did checking out Palin...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aejhxaNzMKM

the fact that this is guy is getting so much scrutiny tells you alot about the left-wing media. Why are these guys not following bill ayers around like a pack of rabid dogs? Left wing elitists and their hypocrisy....

prytoj

fugawzi wrote:

What are you talking about? Could you possibly be more incorrect? The news jumped all over it? I believe it was JOHN McCAIN who invoked this 'Joe the Plumber' 15 times or 21 times during the debate. No, that wasn't the first people had heard of him, he was actually on RIGHT-WING media before the last debate, but it was JOHN McCAIN who propelled this character into his 15 minutes of fame. So which "news" outlet are you talking about that "jumped all over it"? What the news jumped on was something else you're wrong about, HE'S NOT A PLUMBER and his name is not Joe. Also, he has no intention of buying any business. Looks like McCain needs to get the facts straight. When did it become a smear to get the facts right? Getting the facts right isn't a smear. It's the opposite.

Who cares about 'Joe the Plumber'? John McCain. It's his attempt to disguise his economic and tax policies that would benefit rich people. Joe the Plumber, Joe Sixpack, they're trying to make voters believe they care about average middle class people. Besides the fact that it's not working, 'Joe the plumber' would actually benefit more from Obama's tax plan than McCain's. It's hard to tell that to people who have been brainwashed by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh though.

P.S. Keith's last name is spelled Olbermann, and again it wasn't any media who shined the spotlight on 'Joe the Plumber' it was JOHN McCAIN so your analogy really doesn't make sense. Try again.

joe the plumber exposed Obama for the left-wing elitist that he is. listen very carefully to Obama's response. Carefully disguised socialism...

digster

I'm thinking of naming my band Joe and the Plumbers.

digster

I've looked at the two tax policies, but I had question regarding them that I hope someone can answer me without bias, cause I think it is important; I've heard Obama say often that his tax policy will have people making over 250,000 the amount of taxes they paid under Bill Clinton's tax policy. That sounds like a good argument, but my question is if it is a true argument. I mean, charges of a "socialism never before seen in this country" would be a little unfounded if that was the case, but I want to know if that's solid ground to stand on.

digster

chiefojibwa wrote:

sounds much better than "samuel and the tax evaders"!

Heh.

I think the funniest part of all this is (not that I wish anything bad on good ol' Joe), is that this guy was just going around living his life, hiding from the federal government so he wouldn't pay these taxes, and that the federal government found him due to all this exposure. So I guess he has John McCain to thank for the federal government being on his ass.

prytoj

chiefojibwa wrote:

look, genius. in case you didn't know this already, the people that obama is talking about raising taxes on ALREADY PAY TAXES. and that tax revenue is ALREADY BEING SPREAD AROUND. so don't play the socialism card...it's a tax hike for some, a tax cut for others. this is the way we do things in america, and it always has been.

i find it insulting that with 2 wars, the financial bailout, and all the other problems such as health care that people are bitching about taxes. how do you propose we pay for these things?

it isnt a tax cut for ANYONE. It is a check in the mail, from an ass-buster to a non-ass-buster. All RARE exceptions aside. This is textbook socialism.

The tax cut Obama refers to applies to people who PAY NO FED INCOME TAX in the first place!