Creation Museum

cornnifer

Mookie Baylock wrote:

http://www.creationmuseum.org/

As an anthropologist/museum curator this deeply offends me. What do all you kids think?

Don't go. Pretty simple, really.

Mookie Baylock

It's not that I have a problem with people having their own beliefs and wanting to share them with others. That is what life is about. But this "museum" is telling people science supports a 6000 year old earth and bibilical creation. This is quite simply a lie. Lies and propaganda do not belong in an institution of higher learning.

Would you be offended if someone opened a museum saying science supports that the holocaust was a myth or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens built the pyrimids?

This is not a museum of Christianity, that would be fine and quite interesting, this is a museum of anti-science. There's a big difference.

Kann

Scubascott wrote:

Me too. Glad we found something we can agree on.

I don't understand the motives of these people. They seemed determined to undermine the education of an entire generation of americans. First the ID in schools ruckus, and now this.

I always viewed ID like the measure system they have in the us :
the metric system is an easy, linear and pratical way of measuring things, and is used in all science fields. I fail to understand why the feet/inch system is still used, it's non linear, it's unused in scientific papers, there is no logical correspondance with the metric system and it's unused in almost every other country. So basically it's an american exception, just like ID, that (well viewed from outside at least) is a mystery as to why it still is taught and which stops holding any credibility as soon as you have to deal with academic science or foreign countries.

baraka

Scubascott wrote:

I don't understand the motives of these people. They seemed determined to undermine the education of an entire generation of americans. First the ID in schools ruckus, and now this.

Kann wrote:

So basically it's an american exception, just like ID

Where in America are they teaching ID in science class?

Kann

I didn't say ID was taught in class, I don't know if it is (I thought it was though, alongside with evolution in some schools), but it's the only country I know actually considering that. That's what I meant by exception.

Mookie Baylock

baraka wrote:

Where in America are they teaching ID in science class?

Nowhere yet...

But now that there is a museum of ID it suddenly has some (false) credibility.

blackredyellow

I'm never going to go there, so for the most part I could care less about this place.

But the only thing that bothers me about this place is that kids will go there and be taught that this is indeed facts, when besides what the bible says, there is nothing to support their facts at all. They claim to interpret the same evidence as the science community, but apparently they ignore the inconvenient evidence such as carbon dating and fossils and bones of primitive humans.

$20 for adults seems a bit steep too

I just wonder what the outrage from the evangelicals and conservatives would be if muslims built a museum according to the koran and passed it off as facts.

mammasan

I want to open a Museum dedicated to Pastafarianism. It will display the story of how the universe was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

RAmen

baraka

Kann wrote:

I didn't say ID was taught in class, I don't know if it is (I thought it was though, alongside with evolution in some schools), but it's the only country I know actually considering that. That's what I meant by exception.

It may be discussed in the public arena, but it is not being taught along side evolution. There have been feeble attempts to do such, it it has not occurred and has been shot down many times. Just to be clear.........

baraka

Mookie Baylock wrote:

Nowhere yet...

But now that there is a museum of ID it suddenly has some (false) credibility.

I understand you being uncomfortable with this. I was quite confused when I saw the thread. And the link didn't tell me too much about what will be exhibited (unless I was just too dense to navigate the site).

blackredyellow

baraka wrote:

I understand you being uncomfortable with this. I was quite confused when I saw the thread. And the link didn't tell me too much about what will be exhibited (unless I was just too dense to navigate the site).

Here is all of the info that I could find from their website (http://www.creationmuseum.org/about):

The Creation Museum will be upfront that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice, and in every area it touches upon.

We’ll begin the Museum experience by showing that “facts” don’t speak for themselves (click here for a proposed drawing of this exhibit). There aren’t separate sets of “evidences” for evolution and creation—we all deal with the same evidence (we all live on the same earth, have the same fossils, observe the same animals, etc.). The difference lies in how we interpret what we study. We’ll then explore why the Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things.

After that, we'll take guests on a journey through a visual presentation of the history of the world, based on the “7 C’s of History”: Creation, Corruption, Catastrophe, Confusion, Christ, Cross, Consummation. Throughout this family-friendly experience, guests will learn how to answer the attacks on the Bible’s authority in geology, biology, anthropology, cosmology, etc., and they will discover how science actually confirms biblical history.

The complex, near Cincinnati, Ohio, will also be the headquarters for AiG-USA and will house the ministry offices, recording studio and resource distribution center. The museum will also feature classrooms for use by school groups, pastors and others.
Museum mission statement

*Exalt Jesus Christ as Creator, Redeemer and Sustainer through a safe, wholesome, family-friendly center for learning and discovery that clearly presents major biblical themes from Genesis to Revelation.

*This center will equip Christians to better evangelize the lost with a sense of urgency, through a combination of exhibits, research and educational presentations that uphold the inerrancy of the Bible.

*This center will also challenge visitors to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and to accept the authority of the Bible by providing culturally relevant biblical and scientific answers from a biblical worldview.

Main theme

The Bible is true from Genesis to Revelation!

robbie

i want to see the exhibit where the sun rotates around the flat earth..... and where man is made out of clay.... and woman made out of rib..... and rainbows a magical promise from god..... and where a STAR can enter our atmosphere and hang above a manger to guide 3 wise men..... and virgin birth,........ and living inside an enormous fish....... and rising from the dead........ and how 2 of each kind of animal on the planet could fit on an ark............ and how noah got polar bears on that ark in the middle east......... and how we all spaek different languages because god was afraid we would build a tower that could reach him if we coommunicated too well...... or where the moon is a light, not a reflection.......... I AM going to this awesome museum...... it sounds like its going to be a lot of fun.

mammasan

robbie wrote:

i want to see the exhibit where the sun rotates around the flat earth..... and where man is made out of clay.... and woman made out of rib..... and rainbows a magical promise from god..... and where a STAR can enter our atmosphere and hang above a manger to guide 3 wise men..... and virgin birth,........ and living inside an enormous fish....... and rising from the dead........ and how 2 of each kind of animal on the planet could fit on an ark............ and how noah got polar bears on that ark in the middle east......... and how we all spaek different languages because god was afraid we would build a tower that could reach him if we coommunicated too well...... or where the moon is a light, not a reflection.......... I AM going to this awesome museum...... it sounds like its going to be a lot of fun.

How about how we are all decended from two people, but yet we have all different types of skin color, and how we where able to survive through thousands of years of inbreeding.

angelica

Mookie Baylock wrote:

It's not that I have a problem with people having their own beliefs and wanting to share them with others. That is what life is about. But this "museum" is telling people science supports a 6000 year old earth and bibilical creation. This is quite simply a lie. Lies and propaganda do not belong in an institution of higher learning.

Would you be offended if someone opened a museum saying science supports that the holocaust was a myth or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens built the pyrimids?

This is not a museum of Christianity, that would be fine and quite interesting, this is a museum of anti-science. There's a big difference.

It sounds like you are saying it's okay for people to have their beliefs, as long as they recognize that your beliefs are the right ones.

Again, life is much too complicated and all people obviously don't share the same beliefs. It's a free world where people can and will do what they feel is right.

I think we already know people believe this creation stuff and have used logic and even science to justify it. And have for a very long time.

Again, there are varying levels of human development in place right now. Are you willing to suspend your own personal beliefs, and put your faith in the beliefs of someone "higher up" the human development ladder? Well, neither are these people. They have the right to live exactly where they are in their worldview, unapologetically.

And you have the right to get upset about it from the perspective of your worldview.

decides2dream

sink wrote:

I try to understand liberals, but it proves very difficult for such extreme ideas, from either side of the spectrum. I think my main point for all of this is the contradiction. You are smart and well-read if you believe science but if you are religious you are dumb and likely a redneck.

all science-minded folks are liberals...and all religious folk are conservative? kinda narrow view, no? and belief in religion certainly is not 'dumb' it's simply belief....but many, many religious folks believe in science AND religion...it is quite possible.

Mookie Blaylock wrote:

It's not that I have a problem with people having their own beliefs and wanting to share them with others. That is what life is about. But this "museum" is telling people science supports a 6000 year old earth and bibilical creation. This is quite simply a lie. Lies and propaganda do not belong in an institution of higher learning.

Would you be offended if someone opened a museum saying science supports that the holocaust was a myth or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens built the pyrimids?

This is not a museum of Christianity, that would be fine and quite interesting, this is a museum of anti-science. There's a big difference.

well said, especially that one comment......exactly.

blackredyellow

angelica wrote:

It sounds like you are saying it's okay for people to have their beliefs, as long as they recognize that your beliefs are the right ones.

Again, life is much too complicated and all people obviously don't share the same beliefs. It's a free world where people can and will do what they feel is right.

There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.

If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.

Mookie Baylock

blackredyellow wrote:

There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.

If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.

Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.

angelica

blackredyellow wrote:

There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.

If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.

So, are you willing to tell a child their belief in Santa Claus is factually wrong?

Are you willing to go take issue with people in third world settings who hold magical/mythical beliefs because they are "factually wrong"?

Do you think attempts to undermine the developmental stage one is at in any given time is effective in any way? Do you think doing so will make them come to their senses and cause them to "magically" evolve to a new internal developmental stage?

Developmental stages that claim the "objective" truth are developmental stages like any other. And they are not at the top of development that we know. By their claims, which by the way is very similar to those who claim religious truth, at the expense of other interpersonal truth, actually reveal that they are not at inclusive levels of awareness. And in reality--in truth--all these issues do naturally exist comfortably and side by side.

You don't have to worry--people will not devolve because they've been exposed to this new museum.

angelica

Mookie Baylock wrote:

Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.

Really? Are you saying only secular learning is "higher" learning? Religious people aren't allowed to have higher learning? Or to have it in a "public" place?

Many people recognize this view for what it is...your opinion. And your opinion does not bind them from living how they see fit and creating their museums they way they like.

blackredyellow

Mookie Baylock wrote:

Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.

In the end it's a choice to go there so I can't get too upset about it. If you are willing to take your family and pay to go there, then chances are they have these beliefs anyway. It would make for some interesting/awkward conversations in science class the next day.

I guess the more negative attention that this place gets, the more popular it will become. Hopefully people see it for what it is and it looses money and closes. If it is as big as it sounds, there has to be some pretty deep pockets behind it.