I understand you being uncomfortable with this. I was quite confused when I saw the thread. And the link didn't tell me too much about what will be exhibited (unless I was just too dense to navigate the site).
The Creation Museum will be upfront that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice, and in every area it touches upon.
We’ll begin the Museum experience by showing that “facts” don’t speak for themselves (click here for a proposed drawing of this exhibit). There aren’t separate sets of “evidences” for evolution and creation—we all deal with the same evidence (we all live on the same earth, have the same fossils, observe the same animals, etc.). The difference lies in how we interpret what we study. We’ll then explore why the Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things.
After that, we'll take guests on a journey through a visual presentation of the history of the world, based on the “7 C’s of History”: Creation, Corruption, Catastrophe, Confusion, Christ, Cross, Consummation. Throughout this family-friendly experience, guests will learn how to answer the attacks on the Bible’s authority in geology, biology, anthropology, cosmology, etc., and they will discover how science actually confirms biblical history.
The complex, near Cincinnati, Ohio, will also be the headquarters for AiG-USA and will house the ministry offices, recording studio and resource distribution center. The museum will also feature classrooms for use by school groups, pastors and others.
Museum mission statement
*Exalt Jesus Christ as Creator, Redeemer and Sustainer through a safe, wholesome, family-friendly center for learning and discovery that clearly presents major biblical themes from Genesis to Revelation.
*This center will equip Christians to better evangelize the lost with a sense of urgency, through a combination of exhibits, research and educational presentations that uphold the inerrancy of the Bible.
*This center will also challenge visitors to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and to accept the authority of the Bible by providing culturally relevant biblical and scientific answers from a biblical worldview.
Main theme
The Bible is true from Genesis to Revelation!
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i want to see the exhibit where the sun rotates around the flat earth..... and where man is made out of clay.... and woman made out of rib..... and rainbows a magical promise from god..... and where a STAR can enter our atmosphere and hang above a manger to guide 3 wise men..... and virgin birth,........ and living inside an enormous fish....... and rising from the dead........ and how 2 of each kind of animal on the planet could fit on an ark............ and how noah got polar bears on that ark in the middle east......... and how we all spaek different languages because god was afraid we would build a tower that could reach him if we coommunicated too well...... or where the moon is a light, not a reflection.......... I AM going to this awesome museum...... it sounds like its going to be a lot of fun.
i want to see the exhibit where the sun rotates around the flat earth..... and where man is made out of clay.... and woman made out of rib..... and rainbows a magical promise from god..... and where a STAR can enter our atmosphere and hang above a manger to guide 3 wise men..... and virgin birth,........ and living inside an enormous fish....... and rising from the dead........ and how 2 of each kind of animal on the planet could fit on an ark............ and how noah got polar bears on that ark in the middle east......... and how we all spaek different languages because god was afraid we would build a tower that could reach him if we coommunicated too well...... or where the moon is a light, not a reflection.......... I AM going to this awesome museum...... it sounds like its going to be a lot of fun.
How about how we are all decended from two people, but yet we have all different types of skin color, and how we where able to survive through thousands of years of inbreeding.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It's not that I have a problem with people having their own beliefs and wanting to share them with others. That is what life is about. But this "museum" is telling people science supports a 6000 year old earth and bibilical creation. This is quite simply a lie. Lies and propaganda do not belong in an institution of higher learning.
Would you be offended if someone opened a museum saying science supports that the holocaust was a myth or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens built the pyrimids?
This is not a museum of Christianity, that would be fine and quite interesting, this is a museum of anti-science. There's a big difference.
It sounds like you are saying it's okay for people to have their beliefs, as long as they recognize that your beliefs are the right ones.
Again, life is much too complicated and all people obviously don't share the same beliefs. It's a free world where people can and will do what they feel is right.
I think we already know people believe this creation stuff and have used logic and even science to justify it. And have for a very long time.
Again, there are varying levels of human development in place right now. Are you willing to suspend your own personal beliefs, and put your faith in the beliefs of someone "higher up" the human development ladder? Well, neither are these people. They have the right to live exactly where they are in their worldview, unapologetically.
And you have the right to get upset about it from the perspective of your worldview.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I try to understand liberals, but it proves very difficult for such extreme ideas, from either side of the spectrum. I think my main point for all of this is the contradiction. You are smart and well-read if you believe science but if you are religious you are dumb and likely a redneck.
all science-minded folks are liberals...and all religious folk are conservative? kinda narrow view, no? and belief in religion certainly is not 'dumb' it's simply belief....but many, many religious folks believe in science AND religion...it is quite possible.
It's not that I have a problem with people having their own beliefs and wanting to share them with others. That is what life is about. But this "museum" is telling people science supports a 6000 year old earth and bibilical creation. This is quite simply a lie. Lies and propaganda do not belong in an institution of higher learning.
Would you be offended if someone opened a museum saying science supports that the holocaust was a myth or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens built the pyrimids?
This is not a museum of Christianity, that would be fine and quite interesting, this is a museum of anti-science. There's a big difference.
well said, especially that one comment......exactly.
It sounds like you are saying it's okay for people to have their beliefs, as long as they recognize that your beliefs are the right ones.
Again, life is much too complicated and all people obviously don't share the same beliefs. It's a free world where people can and will do what they feel is right.
There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.
If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.
If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.
Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.
If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.
So, are you willing to tell a child their belief in Santa Claus is factually wrong?
Are you willing to go take issue with people in third world settings who hold magical/mythical beliefs because they are "factually wrong"?
Do you think attempts to undermine the developmental stage one is at in any given time is effective in any way? Do you think doing so will make them come to their senses and cause them to "magically" evolve to a new internal developmental stage?
Developmental stages that claim the "objective" truth are developmental stages like any other. And they are not at the top of development that we know. By their claims, which by the way is very similar to those who claim religious truth, at the expense of other interpersonal truth, actually reveal that they are not at inclusive levels of awareness. And in reality--in truth--all these issues do naturally exist comfortably and side by side.
You don't have to worry--people will not devolve because they've been exposed to this new museum.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.
Really? Are you saying only secular learning is "higher" learning? Religious people aren't allowed to have higher learning? Or to have it in a "public" place?
Many people recognize this view for what it is...your opinion. And your opinion does not bind them from living how they see fit and creating their museums they way they like.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.
In the end it's a choice to go there so I can't get too upset about it. If you are willing to take your family and pay to go there, then chances are they have these beliefs anyway. It would make for some interesting/awkward conversations in science class the next day.
I guess the more negative attention that this place gets, the more popular it will become. Hopefully people see it for what it is and it looses money and closes. If it is as big as it sounds, there has to be some pretty deep pockets behind it.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
So, are you willing to tell a child their belief in Santa Claus is factually wrong?
Yes... parents don't believe in santa claus and will tell the kid the truth about christmas presents when he/she gets older. There is a big difference when the parents believe in something that is factually wrong.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Really? Are you saying only secular learning is "higher" learning? Religious people aren't allowed to have higher learning? Or to have it in a "public" place?
Many people recognize this view for what it is...your opinion. And your opinion does not bind them from living how they see fit and creating their museums they way they like.
You are looking at this from a very philosophical point of view.
Very simply, what this is, is right-wing religious conservatives trying to make Intelligent Design look real, and true science look false, by displaying it in a medium that immediately invokes public trust and support.
It offends me because as a museum professional I have strived throughout my career to present things in museums that are scientifically and historically valid and not to present false or speculative information (unless it is stated as such) because people visit museums with the trust that they will learn something informative and entertaining. The goal of museum's (at least in my eyes) is to bridge the gap between ivory towered academia and average knowledge. Now this "museum" is undermining that trust by knowingly presenting false information to further an anti-science agenda.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
Yes... parents don't believe in santa claus and will tell the kid the truth about christmas presents when he/she gets older. There is a big difference when the parents believe in something that is factually wrong.
You're saying "yes" that you are going to tell children who believe in Santa that they are factually wrong? Again, what do you have to gain by trying to impose your view on another? Do you think it magically evolves them?
Reasoned discussion is always helpful and is evolutionarily sound, but the"I'm right, you're wrong" mentality undermines reason right from the beginning.
The minute we take that stance, rather than an understanding one, it shows we are not understanding, but are rather caught up in our own arbitrary worldview.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You are looking at this from a very philosophical point of view.
Very simply, what this is, is right-wing religious conservatives trying to make Intelligent Design look real, and true science look false, by displaying it in a medium that immediately invokes public trust and support.
It offends me because as a museum professional I have strived throughout my career to present things in museums that are scientifically and historically valid and not to present false of speculative information (unless it is stated as such) because people visit museums with the trust that they will learn something informative and entertaining. The goal of museum's (at least in my eyes) is to bridge the gap between ivory towered academia and average knowledge. Now this "museum" is undermining that trust by knowingly presenting false information to further an anti-science agenda.
I'm looking at this quite practically. People are where they are. And they act the way they act. No matter how much you are offended or don't like it, people will still be exactly who and where they are in their lives. Your opinions and feelings on the subject remains about your ideas, and your feelings that stem from those ideas.
Do you recognize that many to most people will appreciate the objectivity, historic validity and so on that emanates from "accurate" museums? Do you realize this creation museum cannot be a threat to the truth?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"The Creation Museum, opening May 28, 2007, presents a "walk through history." Designed by a former Universal Studios exhibit director, this state-of-the-art 60,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life."
I think it's worth bearing in mind the PT Barnum once operated "Barnum's American Museum" in New York city where he featured exhibits of mermaids and made a colosal ammount of money.
My point is that just because this place is called a "museum" doesn't make it a museum for *either* side in the creation vs. evolution debate. With a former Universal Studios exhibit director it sounds like a place to generate a lot of money.
A creationist museum would probably feature exhibits on the writings and teachings of creationists and biblical scholars. Evolutionists could thouroughly disagree with those writings but at least everyone could agree that an institution with exhibits on thinkers and thier teachings was a museum.
This place is promising:
"A fully engaging, sensory experience for guests. Murals and realistic scenery, computer-generated visual effects, over fifty exotic animals, life-sized people and dinosaur animatronics, and a special-effects theater complete with misty sea breezes and rumbling seats."
Animatronics and special effects are for theme parks. There is no reason not to have a crationist theme park. There is no reason not to have an "Evolution Theme park". But rides and rumbling seats don't make a place a museum. They just make a lot of money for the person running them.
What's next? The "ET - The Extra Terrestrial MUSEUM"?
The issue here isn't creationism vs. evolution it's PT Barnumesque huxterism and exploitation of sensitive issues to make a buck. I should think even a creationist... heck, *esspecially* a creationist should be worried about this place.
I think BOTH sides in the debate between religion and science deserve better than "animatronics" and "Rumbling Seats".
"The Creation Museum, opening May 28, 2007, presents a "walk through history." Designed by a former Universal Studios exhibit director, this state-of-the-art 60,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life."
I think it's worth bearing in mind the PT Barnum once operated "Barnum's American Museum" in New York city where he featured exhibits of mermaids and made a colosal ammount of money.
My point is that just because this place is called a "museum" doesn't make it a museum for *either* side in the creation vs. evolution debate. With a former Universal Studios exhibit director it sounds like a place to generate a lot of money.
A creationist museum would probably feature exhibits on the writings and teachings of creationists and biblical scholars. Evolutionists could thouroughly disagree with those writings but at least everyone could agree that an institution with exhibits on thinkers and thier teachings was a museum.
This place is promising:
"A fully engaging, sensory experience for guests. Murals and realistic scenery, computer-generated visual effects, over fifty exotic animals, life-sized people and dinosaur animatronics, and a special-effects theater complete with misty sea breezes and rumbling seats."
Animatronics and special effects are for theme parks. There is no reason not to have a crationist theme park. There is no reason not to have an "Evolution Theme park". But rides and rumbling seats don't make a place a museum. They just make a lot of money for the person running them.
What's next? The "ET - The Extra Terrestrial MUSEUM"?
The issue here isn't creationism vs. evolution it's PT Barnumesque huxterism and exploitation of sensitive issues to make a buck. I should think even a creationist... heck, *esspecially* a creationist should be worried about this place.
I think BOTH sides in the debate between religion and science deserve better than "animatronics" and "Rumbling Seats".
You've essentially hit the nail on the head. The truth remains the truth, no matter what guise it's presented as. People have discernment skills, and are entitled to choose for themselves.
Ultimately, a creationist is not bound by popular secular or social thought in the US that dictates that evolved humans at this point in time are purely objective. They have every right to define their own terms for their own purposes. They are using the same schools of thought that allowed other thought progression through the years and that enabled science taking it's place of dictatorship in the US. Creationists/Id folk can and will use the same techniques. We can deny their rights, we can stomp our feet, and the fact remains, we uphold freedoms for good reason.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You're saying "yes" that you are going to tell children who believe in Santa that they are factually wrong? Again, what do you have to gain by trying to impose your view on another? Do you think it magically evolves them?
What do I have to gain by telling my children the truth? Hopefully that they will grow up to be intelligent, honest adults. And how is telling my children the fact that santa doesn't exist "trying to impose my view on another"?
If my someone came to me and said that they heard that he couldn't catch AIDS from unprotected sex or that they could catch it from a toilet seat, should I just let them believe whatever they want, no matter how irresponsible it is, just so that I wouldn't be "imposing my view on another"? Isn't that what school and education is all about?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
What do I have to gain by telling my children the truth? Hopefully that they will grow up to be intelligent, honest adults. And how is telling my children the fact that santa doesn't exist "trying to impose my view on another"?
If my someone came to me and said that they heard that he couldn't catch AIDS from unprotected sex or that they could catch it from a toilet seat, should I just let them believe whatever they want, no matter how irresponsible it is, just so that I wouldn't be "imposing my view on another"? Isn't that what school and education is all about?
I did not say "your" child. You did not respond by saying you would tell "your" child. In both those posts we both spoke detached of the child. You are certainly entitled to tell your children whatever you'd like.
If you like to "enlighten" people as to the facts, in a "right/wrong" way, be my guest. It's merely on par with religious people doing so.
As for your "aids" example, again, there is a clear and very distinct difference between constructive discussion/debate and with right/wrong dictating. The respective outcomes of both positions are dramatically different. By staying on a even playing field we DO contribute to progression. By playing "I'm right, and you are wrong", we sucker our own selves into cycles that repeat over and over until WE learn enough to evolve out of them.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think you should go Ahnimus. You might learn a thing or two
Anyway, I don't want to be offensive but this is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.
Seriously:
guests will learn how to answer the attacks on the Bible’s authority in geology, biology, anthropology, cosmology, etc., and they will discover how science actually confirms biblical history.
I think you should go Ahnimus. You might learn a thing or two
I'd rather stick bamboo under my toe nails.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
it seems more like this museum should be called Genesis world. Looking through the museum on the webpage, there is only 3 or 4 rooms of the 20-30 spots where creation is even mentioned. The rest seems like a walk through of Genesis and then some of the early NT. But as far as a world view is concerned they are portraying exactly what they believe. Just don't go to it if it bothers you; i mean that's the standard response for people and entertainment. No one is forcing someone to go to it, so why not let them do their thing. I HIGHLY doubt this will take the place of trips to the Field Museum of Chicago, or the Smithsonian.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
I HIGHLY doubt this will take the place of trips to the Field Museum of Chicago, or the Smithsonian.
I completely agree. People, whether consciously or unconsciously use value judgments in making their decisions. If anyone thinks this museum will take the place of "reputatable" museums--more historically or scientifically substantiated ones--I say that person is not applying accurate value judgment themselves due to fear and other emotional considerations.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Here is all of the info that I could find from their website (http://www.creationmuseum.org/about):
The Creation Museum will be upfront that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice, and in every area it touches upon.
We’ll begin the Museum experience by showing that “facts” don’t speak for themselves (click here for a proposed drawing of this exhibit). There aren’t separate sets of “evidences” for evolution and creation—we all deal with the same evidence (we all live on the same earth, have the same fossils, observe the same animals, etc.). The difference lies in how we interpret what we study. We’ll then explore why the Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things.
After that, we'll take guests on a journey through a visual presentation of the history of the world, based on the “7 C’s of History”: Creation, Corruption, Catastrophe, Confusion, Christ, Cross, Consummation. Throughout this family-friendly experience, guests will learn how to answer the attacks on the Bible’s authority in geology, biology, anthropology, cosmology, etc., and they will discover how science actually confirms biblical history.
The complex, near Cincinnati, Ohio, will also be the headquarters for AiG-USA and will house the ministry offices, recording studio and resource distribution center. The museum will also feature classrooms for use by school groups, pastors and others.
Museum mission statement
*Exalt Jesus Christ as Creator, Redeemer and Sustainer through a safe, wholesome, family-friendly center for learning and discovery that clearly presents major biblical themes from Genesis to Revelation.
*This center will equip Christians to better evangelize the lost with a sense of urgency, through a combination of exhibits, research and educational presentations that uphold the inerrancy of the Bible.
*This center will also challenge visitors to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and to accept the authority of the Bible by providing culturally relevant biblical and scientific answers from a biblical worldview.
Main theme
The Bible is true from Genesis to Revelation!
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
How about how we are all decended from two people, but yet we have all different types of skin color, and how we where able to survive through thousands of years of inbreeding.
Again, life is much too complicated and all people obviously don't share the same beliefs. It's a free world where people can and will do what they feel is right.
I think we already know people believe this creation stuff and have used logic and even science to justify it. And have for a very long time.
Again, there are varying levels of human development in place right now. Are you willing to suspend your own personal beliefs, and put your faith in the beliefs of someone "higher up" the human development ladder? Well, neither are these people. They have the right to live exactly where they are in their worldview, unapologetically.
And you have the right to get upset about it from the perspective of your worldview.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
all science-minded folks are liberals...and all religious folk are conservative? kinda narrow view, no? and belief in religion certainly is not 'dumb' it's simply belief....but many, many religious folks believe in science AND religion...it is quite possible.
well said, especially that one comment......exactly.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
There is a certain point where someone's beliefs are just factually wrong though. I don't know what exactly the exhibits are about there, but if they have humans living with dinosaurs or the earth only being 6000 years old, then then it's more than differing beliefs, it's just false.
If I have an exhibit in a museum where I show kids that water is made up of pixie dust and helium, and not hydrogen and oxygen, and presented it as facts, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it right.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Exactly, faith based learning belongs in a religious institution, not in a public place of higher learning.
-Ashley Montagu
So, are you willing to tell a child their belief in Santa Claus is factually wrong?
Are you willing to go take issue with people in third world settings who hold magical/mythical beliefs because they are "factually wrong"?
Do you think attempts to undermine the developmental stage one is at in any given time is effective in any way? Do you think doing so will make them come to their senses and cause them to "magically" evolve to a new internal developmental stage?
Developmental stages that claim the "objective" truth are developmental stages like any other. And they are not at the top of development that we know. By their claims, which by the way is very similar to those who claim religious truth, at the expense of other interpersonal truth, actually reveal that they are not at inclusive levels of awareness. And in reality--in truth--all these issues do naturally exist comfortably and side by side.
You don't have to worry--people will not devolve because they've been exposed to this new museum.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Many people recognize this view for what it is...your opinion. And your opinion does not bind them from living how they see fit and creating their museums they way they like.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
In the end it's a choice to go there so I can't get too upset about it. If you are willing to take your family and pay to go there, then chances are they have these beliefs anyway. It would make for some interesting/awkward conversations in science class the next day.
I guess the more negative attention that this place gets, the more popular it will become. Hopefully people see it for what it is and it looses money and closes. If it is as big as it sounds, there has to be some pretty deep pockets behind it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yes... parents don't believe in santa claus and will tell the kid the truth about christmas presents when he/she gets older. There is a big difference when the parents believe in something that is factually wrong.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
You are looking at this from a very philosophical point of view.
Very simply, what this is, is right-wing religious conservatives trying to make Intelligent Design look real, and true science look false, by displaying it in a medium that immediately invokes public trust and support.
It offends me because as a museum professional I have strived throughout my career to present things in museums that are scientifically and historically valid and not to present false or speculative information (unless it is stated as such) because people visit museums with the trust that they will learn something informative and entertaining. The goal of museum's (at least in my eyes) is to bridge the gap between ivory towered academia and average knowledge. Now this "museum" is undermining that trust by knowingly presenting false information to further an anti-science agenda.
-Ashley Montagu
Reasoned discussion is always helpful and is evolutionarily sound, but the"I'm right, you're wrong" mentality undermines reason right from the beginning.
The minute we take that stance, rather than an understanding one, it shows we are not understanding, but are rather caught up in our own arbitrary worldview.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Do you recognize that many to most people will appreciate the objectivity, historic validity and so on that emanates from "accurate" museums? Do you realize this creation museum cannot be a threat to the truth?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
"The Creation Museum, opening May 28, 2007, presents a "walk through history." Designed by a former Universal Studios exhibit director, this state-of-the-art 60,000 square foot museum brings the pages of the Bible to life."
I think it's worth bearing in mind the PT Barnum once operated "Barnum's American Museum" in New York city where he featured exhibits of mermaids and made a colosal ammount of money.
My point is that just because this place is called a "museum" doesn't make it a museum for *either* side in the creation vs. evolution debate. With a former Universal Studios exhibit director it sounds like a place to generate a lot of money.
A creationist museum would probably feature exhibits on the writings and teachings of creationists and biblical scholars. Evolutionists could thouroughly disagree with those writings but at least everyone could agree that an institution with exhibits on thinkers and thier teachings was a museum.
This place is promising:
"A fully engaging, sensory experience for guests. Murals and realistic scenery, computer-generated visual effects, over fifty exotic animals, life-sized people and dinosaur animatronics, and a special-effects theater complete with misty sea breezes and rumbling seats."
Animatronics and special effects are for theme parks. There is no reason not to have a crationist theme park. There is no reason not to have an "Evolution Theme park". But rides and rumbling seats don't make a place a museum. They just make a lot of money for the person running them.
What's next? The "ET - The Extra Terrestrial MUSEUM"?
The issue here isn't creationism vs. evolution it's PT Barnumesque huxterism and exploitation of sensitive issues to make a buck. I should think even a creationist... heck, *esspecially* a creationist should be worried about this place.
I think BOTH sides in the debate between religion and science deserve better than "animatronics" and "Rumbling Seats".
Ultimately, a creationist is not bound by popular secular or social thought in the US that dictates that evolved humans at this point in time are purely objective. They have every right to define their own terms for their own purposes. They are using the same schools of thought that allowed other thought progression through the years and that enabled science taking it's place of dictatorship in the US. Creationists/Id folk can and will use the same techniques. We can deny their rights, we can stomp our feet, and the fact remains, we uphold freedoms for good reason.
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What do I have to gain by telling my children the truth? Hopefully that they will grow up to be intelligent, honest adults. And how is telling my children the fact that santa doesn't exist "trying to impose my view on another"?
If my someone came to me and said that they heard that he couldn't catch AIDS from unprotected sex or that they could catch it from a toilet seat, should I just let them believe whatever they want, no matter how irresponsible it is, just so that I wouldn't be "imposing my view on another"? Isn't that what school and education is all about?
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
If you like to "enlighten" people as to the facts, in a "right/wrong" way, be my guest. It's merely on par with religious people doing so.
As for your "aids" example, again, there is a clear and very distinct difference between constructive discussion/debate and with right/wrong dictating. The respective outcomes of both positions are dramatically different. By staying on a even playing field we DO contribute to progression. By playing "I'm right, and you are wrong", we sucker our own selves into cycles that repeat over and over until WE learn enough to evolve out of them.
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I think you should go Ahnimus. You might learn a thing or two
Anyway, I don't want to be offensive but this is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.
Seriously:
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I'd rather stick bamboo under my toe nails.
with all due respect, they probably don't want you as one
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