Catch-22

harrymanback
harrymanback Posts: 435
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
Anybody else stuck in a catch-22 with the upcoming election.

I cannot deal with another 4 years of a rebublican in office, nevertheless one who has no idea how many homes he has, but obama with his lack of experience and his message "change" does nothing for me (and will very likely hurt me in the wallet). Where is Monty Brewster when you need him?
I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    I hear ya. I think Obama's tax policies will kill our economy, while McCain's age is catching up to him. I dont know what to do.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Just don't vote for either of them. Granted a third party candidate is not going to win but if enough people vote third party maybe the Reps and Dems in DC will get the message that their monopoly over the federal government is not as secure as they may have thought. Our candidate doesn't have to win he/she just needs enough votes to send a message.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    spyguy wrote:
    I hear ya. I think Obama's tax policies will kill our economy, while McCain's age is catching up to him. I dont know what to do.
    What tax policy do you recommend since Obama's will kill your economy and Bush's nearly killed your economy as well?
  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    harrymanback wrote:
    Where is Monty Brewster when you need him?



    haha, that was on yesterday..
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Kann wrote:
    What tax policy do you recommend since Obama's will kill your economy and Bush's nearly killed your economy as well?

    it wasnt bush's tax policy that hurt the economy.

    obama is going to raise taxes and spend. I recommend the opposite of that.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    it wasnt bush's tax policy that hurt the economy.

    obama is going to raise taxes and spend. I recommend the opposite of that.

    No offense but McCain will either cut taxes, or leave them where they are, and spend. Both policies will continue to damage our economy.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    No offense but McCain will either cut taxes, or leave them where they are, and spend. Both policies will continue to damage our economy.

    no offense taken. I dont care too much for mccain's policies either. but he wont raise taxes and has promised to cut spending. but no way will he cut enough. both candidates will increase the debt. its a matter of how will be worse. which really really sucks
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    spyguy wrote:
    it wasnt bush's tax policy that hurt the economy.

    obama is going to raise taxes and spend. I recommend the opposite of that.
    Actually I think raising taxes before spending is a smarter move (for the countries finances of course, not for your wallet) than lowering taxes before spending, like W did. But anyways, what do you think would happen if you lowered taxes and stopped spending?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Kann wrote:
    Actually I think raising taxes before spending is a much smarter move than lowering taxes before spending, like W did.

    I agree. I hope mccain doesnt do that
    Kann wrote:
    But anyways, what do you think would happen if you lowered taxes and stopped spending?

    american's would keep more of their own money, spend more, companies would have more money to invest in their business and hire people.

    stopped spending? well we will never stop spending. u mean lower spending? that would be great. lower the debt and keep interest rates in check
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    I agree. I hope mccain doesnt do that



    american's would keep more of their own money, spend more, companies would have more money to invest in their business and hire people.

    stopped spending? well we will never stop spending. u mean lower spending? that would be great. lower the debt and keep interest rates in check

    Yes if McCain lower taxes we would keep more of our money in our pockets, but by not cutting spending that money we get to keep will be worth less because the Federal Reserve will have to print more money to cover the difference.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes if McCain lower taxes we would keep more of our money in our pockets, but by not cutting spending that money we get to keep will be worth less because the Federal Reserve will have to print more money to cover the difference.

    he has promised to cut spending. will it be enough? no. will he even do that? I dont know, I hope so.

    obama, however, has promised to raise spending.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    spyguy wrote:
    it wasnt bush's tax policy that hurt the economy.

    obama is going to raise taxes and spend. I recommend the opposite of that.

    Well i totally agree that bush's way of doing things is much better. How much debt does the US have?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Is this really a catch-22?
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    why does the phrase "raising taxes" strike such fear?

    many taxes go to assist those less fortunate. From what I've read Democrat tax plans won't affect the lower 2/3 income workers in this country.

    Shouldn't it be about helping those struggling to make a living here at home? What about those of us destroyed by this war economy. We've lost the equity we've had in our homes due to the greed of those taking windfalls willy nilly with little taxation? A lot of us have lost our life savings the past 8 years.
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    spiral out wrote:
    Well i totally agree that bush's way of doing things is much better. How much debt does the US have?

    who said anything about Bush being better. you do realize he is not running for re-election right?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    why does the phrase "raising taxes" strike such fear?

    it doesnt strike fewar, it strikes anger.
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    many taxes go to assist those less fortunate.

    socialism doesnt work
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    From what I've read Democrat tax plans won't affect the lower 2/3 income workers in this country.

    you should take a closer look.
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Shouldn't it be about helping those struggling to make a living here at home? What about those of us destroyed by this war economy. We've lost the equity we've had in our homes due to the greed of those taking windfalls willy nilly with little taxation? A lot of us have lost our life savings the past 8 years.

    and you think raising taxes will help?
  • harrymanback
    harrymanback Posts: 435
    Collin wrote:
    Is this really a catch-22?


    Catch-22 is simply a no win situation -- and i think in my case (like the movie) there is circular logic as i want the pres to not be a rebulican, but the one who speaks about change has no experience, but the one with experience does not know where he is when he lands, so i go with the other option, but he will hurt my wallet, so i go with the rebublican, and we start all over again.

    as for not voting for either of them, i am in jersey, so that is an option since my vote is practically meaningless.
    I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    spyguy wrote:
    who said anything about Bush being better. you do realize he is not running for re-election right?

    The republicans will continue there stupidity. But go ahead and think Mr magoo will be different.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    spiral out wrote:
    The republicans will continue there stupidity. But go ahead and think Mr magoo will be different.

    :rolleyes: you probably havnt been paying attention to the election. an open mind is a good thing my son.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    spyguy wrote:
    :rolleyes: you probably havnt been paying attention to the election. an open mind is a good thing my son.

    Oh i had fun watching the coverage while i was there. Only a fool takes everything they tell you in an election campaign to heart.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.

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