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the million dollar question

not4unot4u Posts: 512
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
..do you suport the troops?. Let Me be the First to Say NO!
No i do not support the troops becuase of the distorted government influence. If My troops are there doing what the GOD DAMN government says, THEN NO, NO, NO I DO NOT SUPPORT MY TROOPS

Why should THEY be the scapegoat!!!??? huh fuckers?, they are far better than any PIG fat ass biggot in parliament.
STOP USING OUR TROOPS AS A SCAPEGOAT YOU FUCKING PIIIIIGGGGGGG!!!!!!SS!!!!!!... fuck you all
we don't want war, but we still want more?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    not4u wrote:
    ..do you suport the troops. Let Me be the First to Say NO!
    No i do not support the troops becuase of the distorted government influence. If My troops are there doing what the GOD DAMN government says, THEN NO, NO, NO I DO NOT SUPPORT MY TROOPS

    I support the people themselves...not the deed.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I support the troops. Completely. At the enlisted level they're just us, doing a job that they're told to do. You may not like the job, but you do it because that's all you've got, your stinking fucking job.
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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    gue_barium wrote:
    I support the troops. Completely. At the enlisted level they're just us, doing a job that they're told to do. You may not like the job, but you do it because that's all you've got, your stinking fucking job.

    i do not support the ideals under which they 'supposedly' uphold. They die not for freedom but for our own god damn greed.
    They deserve far more respect THEREFORE NO!!!, i do not support the troops, nope.. no, nope.... no, fuck it... when will they stand up?... nope i do not support the troops and i am proud of it..... i refuse the best of men be taken advantage of.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    not4u wrote:
    i do not support the ideals under which they 'supposedly' uphold. They die not for freedom but for our own god damn greed.
    They deserve far more respect THEREFORE NO!!!, i do not support the troops, nope.. no, nope.... no, fuck it... when will they stand up?... nope

    If I could become Maximus (the slave-Gladiator that was formerly a General), then persuade our American troops that here is a better fight to be fought than to the doggerel that they are accustomed to, you know, I would.

    Our American military is commanded from an Ivory tower and when you are in it, like I was, the allegiance to those you know around you is paramount to any punditry that lays a claim in any editorial in the newspaper or some hippie with an attitude on a message board.

    I don't mean this to discredit your sentiments on war. I'm a hippie peace lover. I'm also an ex-marine. I'm just speaking from where I've been.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I'm not a big fan of the "git some" troops however...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    gue_barium wrote:
    If I could become Maximus (the slave-Gladiator that was formerly a General), then persuade our American troops that here is a better fight to be fought than the doggerel that they are accustomed to, you know, I would.

    Our American military is commanded from an Ivory tower and when you are in it, like I was, the allegiance to those you know around you is paramount to any punditry that lays a claim in any editorial in the newspaper or some hippie with an attitude on a message board.

    I don't mean this to discredit your sentiments on war. I'm a hippie peace lover. I'm also an ex-marine. I'm just speaking from where I've been.


    i appologize, i hear ya, it was hard for me to post this but the outside can have an influence on the righteousness of the inside and the outside has no clue of of inside... i digress
    but i refuse to know that our most brave people are being killed not for freedom but for freedom of greed.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of the "git some" troops however...

    there are those dawgs 'o war out there. the psychotics. thank goodness i was a marine during peacetime. still, the cooler heads always prevail, or, inevitably take leadership...

    except in... the unjust war.

    then you get Petraeus...

    and the line he followed.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    not4u wrote:
    i appologize, i hear ya, it was hard for me to post this but the outside can have an influence on the righteousness of the inside and the outside has no clue of of inside... i digress
    but i refuse to know that our most brave people are being killed not for freedom but for freedom of greed.

    I think the military in Iraq has been listening. I was surprised way back when Michael Moore's F911 came out at some of the soldiers spouting off in that. Being a 17-year old private back then (when I was in, peacetime), I don't know or imagine that I could have said some of the things those guys did even if I believed it.
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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    i hope the iraq army picks up, it seems they won't becasue it seems they don't want to?
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    not4u wrote:
    i hope the iraq army picks up, it seems they won't becasue it seems they don't want to?

    The leadership is hand picked by the USA. Obviously it doesn't sit well with the local-minded constituents of Iraq it is supposed to serve.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    not4u wrote:
    i do not support the ideals under which they 'supposedly' uphold. They die not for freedom but for our own god damn greed.
    They deserve far more respect THEREFORE NO!!!, i do not support the troops, nope.. no, nope.... no, fuck it... when will they stand up?... nope i do not support the troops and i am proud of it..... i refuse the best of men be taken advantage of.
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of the "git some" troops however...

    I am. They are the ones who know how wars are won. When everyone on the other side is dead.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    I am. They are the ones who know how wars are won. When everyone on the other side is dead.


    Ahh yes...Genocide. So, in a way, one could interpret that you hold a certain respect for Hitler's philosophy.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ahh yes...Genocide. So, in a way, one could interpret that you hold a certain respect for Hitler's philosophy.

    I do think that this battle of ideas may come down to genocide and I've said it before on this very board.

    It's like cutting off a cancerous leg. It has to go.
  • rarghrargh-brownstarrarghrargh-brownstar Posts: 1,272
    Even the ones who are fighting b/c they dont want thier spouse or child to??


    edit: Also-so your spouse or child doesnt have to???
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    I do think that this battle of ideas may come down to genocide and I've said it before on this very board.

    It's like cutting off a cancerous leg. It has to go.

    It would be impossible without complete compliance of every country. And it would be carried out as Hitler lead his mass extermination campaign.

    A one world order police state would be required actually.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    69charger wrote:
    I do think that this battle of ideas may come down to genocide and I've said it before on this very board.

    It's like cutting off a cancerous leg. It has to go.

    Are Iraqi's the cancer? Muslims? Dark-skinned people? People who don't support America? All non-Americans? Maybe Americans are the cancer and that is the leg that the rest of the world should cut off (isn't that what Bin Laden was trying to do?). It's all a matter of perspective.
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    Songburst wrote:
    Are Iraqi's the cancer? Muslims? Dark-skinned people? People who don't support America? All non-Americans? Maybe Americans are the cancer and that is the leg that the rest of the world should cut off (isn't that what Bin Laden was trying to do?). It's all a matter of perspective.

    Good point made.

    I'm in support of the troops, I respect anyone who CHOOSES to give up years of their life to defend causes they don't believe in, people they don't know, governments they may not respect and land that isn't actually theirs. It isn't as though they're just defending their own front garden from yobs is it? They're defending you and me, my future childrens right to be British and my right to freedom, my right to be sat here at work in the September sun and voice my opinions WITHOUT FEAR on message boards like this.
    I may not agree with the decision to go to war or with the governnment thats sending them but I support our troops, the individuals who get lied to, blamed and take the brunt and the bullets from all the hatred in the world.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you should watch Tigerland.

    gotta love a schumacher film.

    and again, as always brings up the question, why would you want someone in a war who didn't want to be a soldier?
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Songburst wrote:
    Are Iraqi's the cancer? Muslims? Dark-skinned people? People who don't support America? All non-Americans? Maybe Americans are the cancer and that is the leg that the rest of the world should cut off (isn't that what Bin Laden was trying to do?). It's all a matter of perspective.

    Yep, it is a matter of perspective. I suppose when a Deer gets eaten by a Cougar it's a pretty shitty day for the Deer and fucking awesome day for the Cougar. I bet you don't see the other Cougars beating him up because he doesn't empathise with the plight of the 'oppressed' Deer.

    I guess you have to decide what side you are going to stand on?
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I support the troops...but I want them home, NOW!
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    69charger wrote:
    Yep, it is a matter of perspective. I suppose when a Deer gets eaten by a Cougar it's a pretty shitty day for the Deer and fucking awesome day for the Cougar. I bet you don't see the other Cougars beating him up because he doesn't empathise with the plight of the 'oppressed' Deer.

    I guess you have to decide what side you are going to stand on?
    Interesting analogy. Except that you're talking about predator and prey - two different species. Are you a cannibal? Didn't think so.

    Neighboring landowners with an interest in each other's property would be a better analogy. It all comes to a head when one neighbor burns down the other's house with the whole family inside. Makes it look like an electrical thing. Then he proceeds to buy the newly vacant lot. Pretty shitty day for the dead family. Great day for the new land baron.
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    I don't understand the whole support the troops thing. They're not all over there thinking they don't wanna be there. Sure some of them may have been duped into going... but doesn't that just make them stupid? I know if I were called up under some of the situations I've heard about... I would do jail time rather than go. No WAY would I go over there and pretend to fight a war that I knew was bullshit.

    If there were no troops 'following orders' (remind ya of anything) there would BE no war.
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