I know that polls and projections are useless right now ...

Thecure

Commy wrote:

If Americans are stupid enough to vote in Mccain they deserve the next 8 years of war and no health care. Say goodbye to healthcare, social security, hello to a police state, to a war with IRan, to more corporate welfare.

Its absurd. The majority of republicans are the ones most adversly affected by their policies.

what is McCain saying no more doctors or healthcare, i did not know that. now please contuine with the fear

slightofjeff

Commy wrote:

If Americans are stupid enough to vote in Mccain they deserve the next 8 years of war and no health care. Say goodbye to healthcare, social security, hello to a police state, to a war with IRan, to more corporate welfare.

Its absurd. The majority of republicans are the ones most adversly affected by their policies.

You watch too many Mad Max movies. Take a deep breath and a Xanax and you'll be fine.

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

As for the debates ... Obama is a good speaker when he has a teleprompter ... He's pretty horrible without one. "Ummm .... Uh .... Uh ..." not to mention the fact the he can occasionally say stupid stuff, like the United States has 57 states.

This is not to say that McCain is captain of the debate team ... I just think the difference between them is going to be somewhat negligible.

Are you serious??

McCain is actually worse WITH a teleprompter- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aMDJP4VxY4&feature=related

Did you see Obama on O'Reilly? He didn't have a teleprompter there. How about any of the democratic debates? Is this the best you can come up with? Let me guess, Rush talked about this and you think it's true?

Please.

digster

As I said before, anyone who goes up against Hillary Clinton (who was probably the best debater of all the presidential contenders, Republican and Democrats) and didn't embarass themselves will do fine with McCain.

slightofjeff

YieldInHiding wrote:

Are you serious??

McCain is actually worse WITH a teleprompter- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aMDJP4VxY4&feature=related

Did you see Obama on O'Reilly? He didn't have a teleprompter there. How about any of the democratic debates? Is this the best you can come up with? Let me guess, Rush talked about this and you think it's true?

Please.

Oh, it's you again. You're fun.

slightofjeff

digster wrote:

As I said before, anyone who goes up against Hillary Clinton (who was probably the best debater of all the presidential contenders, Republican and Democrats) and didn't embarass themselves will do fine with McCain.

Oh, I agree. Obama will do fine.

But some of his supporters seem to be counting on some glowing performance, wherein every Obama answer is akin to the Sermon on the Mount, whilst McCain will come off looking like Grandpa Simpson gone off his meds.

And, based on the glowing power of Barack's glorious oratory, which will make Martin Luther King look like a blithering idiot,
all the imbeciles who to this point are just TOO STUPID to see Obama is The One will come around, and he'll win by a landslide.

I think those people are being delusional.

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

Oh, it's you again. You're fun.

Why, because I post facts with my opinions and you choose to ignore them and continue your misguided rants?

What did Rush tell you to say to the evil liberals today?

slightofjeff

YieldInHiding wrote:

Why, because I post facts with my opinions and you choose to ignore them and continue your misguided rants?

What did Rush tell you to say to the evil liberals today?

You're very good at the ad hominem attacks. You should work for Obama's political campaign.

Just tell him to avoid the words "lipstick" and "pig" -- or maybe to just avoid lowering himself to a public debate with the other side's vice presidential candidate -- and he'll be fine.

Anyway, if you ever want to discuss issues like a grown up, I'm all ears. Until then, it's back to the kiddie table for you.

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

You're very good at the ad hominem attacks. You should work for Obama's political campaign.

Just tell him to avoid the words "lipstick" and "pig" -- or maybe to just avoid lowering himself to a public debate with the other side's vice presidential candidate -- and he'll be fine.

Anyway, if you ever want to discuss issues like a grown up, I'm all ears. Until then ...

Hilarious!

Any luck finding examples of Obama stuttering? I see you haven't bothered to post any but just randomly made fun of him saying "uhh" between words. I know he has said "uh" in between his words every so often when speaking off the cuff, but at least they were his words and not some canned rhetoric like Palin was spewing out to Charlie the other day.

slightofjeff

YieldInHiding wrote:

Hilarious!

Any luck finding examples of Obama stuttering? I see you haven't bothered to post any but just randomly made fun of him saying "uhh" between words. I know he has said "uh" in between his words every so often when speaking off the cuff, but at least they were his words and not some canned rhetoric like Palin was spewing out to Charlie the other day.

In the span of two sentences, you're making two different arguments.

1) I'm completely making up the fact Obama says "uh" and "um" a lot.

and 2) Obama does indeed say "um" and "uh" a lot, but at least he's not Palin.

Which is it?

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

In the span of two sentences, you're making two different arguments.

1) I'm completely making up the fact Obama says "uh" and "um" a lot.

and 2) Obama does indeed say "um" and "uh" a lot, but at least he's not Palin.

Which is it?

I said I have heard him say it "every so often" because he is interviewed all the time and has to think quickly on his feet. I did not say that he said it a lot. Again, if you watched the O'Reilly interview, he was speaking without notes the entire time and hardly uttered an um or uh.

You have yet to show any examples. I haven't seen what you're talking about in excess, AT ALL. Maybe watching all of the democratic debates and seeing him constantly on the news isn't enough to tell.

slightofjeff

YieldInHiding wrote:

I said I have heard him say it "every so often" because he is interviewed all the time and has to think quickly on his feet. I did not say that he said it a lot. Again, if you watched the O'Reilly interview, he was speaking without notes the entire time and hardly uttered an um or uh.

You have yet to show any examples. I haven't seen what you're talking about in excess, AT ALL. Maybe watching all of the democratic debates and seeing him constantly on the news isn't enough to tell.

He was pretty good on the O'Reilly interview. I enjoyed that segment immensely, even if I didn't agree with much of what he had to say.

At the Saddleback forum and again last night on the 9.11 forum, Obama was in full "um" and "uh" mode. It's not just that he says "uh" a lot though ... we all do that, when we are gathering our thoughts. It's that he has away, like John Kerry before him, of giving two minute answers at the end of which nobody knows really what he's talking about.

He's very good at speech-making on the teleprompter.

As I mentioned earlier, Obama will do fine at the debates. I'd be surprised if he doesn't "win" all three, whatever that means.

I just think the people who think Obama is going to so completely outclass McCain in these debates that it will seal him the election are nuts.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Humility....awesome. :rolleyes:

Obviously you won't change your mind or show any valid examples, so we'll just agree to disagree.

slightofjeff

YieldInHiding wrote:

Humility....awesome. :rolleyes:

Obviously you won't change your mind or show any valid examples, so we'll just agree to disagree.

I've offered some examples ... you just (apparently) don't find them valid.

Agreeing to disagree seems to be the word.

This Is My Alias

slightofjeff wrote:

I've offered some examples ... you just (apparently) don't find them valid.

Agreeing to disagree seems to be the word.

This was pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

slightofjeff

This Is My Alias wrote:

This was pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

Thanks for the link. There are some others there as well:

"Barack Obama Uh Count:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

"Barack Obama stuttering montage:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc&feature=related

"Obama stumbles through debate:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5QxTxUbUoc&feature=related

So, I'm not the only one who thinks Obama isn't *that* great when separated from his teleprompter.

YieldInHiding

The stuttering montage from the speech in the Sudan is obviously looped.

The one on the debate he fumbled a few times but I wouldn't say it was over abundant. I think it's funny you provided a link from a Hillary Clinton backer.

Who knows how long the segment was that Dave took that from. You could do something similar for McSame.

Anyway, what do you think about Obama's tax plan that calls for tax cuts for 95% of Americans?

digster

YieldInHiding wrote:

Anyway, what do you think about Obama's tax plan that calls for tax cuts for 95% of Americans?

Hey now, then we'd be talking about issues, and that's just uncalled for.