Even if that's true, then the argument that dividing the country... going from your sides 35 to 40 or 43 is bad.... is crazy. The point is to seal up voters.
Sorry, I'm completely missing your argument my friend.
Is this a discussion of syntax or theory?
What is your definition of a nation divided? If you were to use it.
It's more syntax, I suppose. But, I think there's a bit of theory.
My definition would be...
-50% Republican
-50% Democrat
That's as divided as you can get. The point that it's bad to be divided is silly.
But it is bad when hatred is used to divide us.
Sure we are divided when it comes to many issues but many peeps are born followers of emotions.
Calling another fellow American a terrorist based on unfounded ideology is pure and simple hatred that stirs emotions. Same can be said of the race issue. Combine them and keep stirring the embers every day at rallies is very divisive
We didn't have this with the swiftboaters because it didn't stir up as much hatred as it was simply mudslinging that didn't cause violent reactions.
Calling another fellow American a terrorist based on unfounded ideology is pure and simple hatred that stirs emotions. Same can be said of the race issue. Combine them and keep stirring the embers every day at rallies is very divisive
Here you are allowing a few individuals to encompass an entire party. To be accurate, there were also people wearing and selling shirts about Palin at Dem rallies. I'm not going to get all worked up over a few idiots.
Regardless, there's always and there will always be some who take it too far. That's another story. But, divided we are and will remain. Nothing changes that.... regardless of what the media tries to force down our throats.
Here you are allowing a few individuals to encompass an entire party. To be accurate, there were also people wearing and selling shirts about Palin at Dem rallies. I'm not going to get all worked up over a few idiots.
Regardless, there's always and there will always be some who take it too far. That's another story. But, divided we are and will remain. Nothing changes that.... regardless of what the media tries to force down our throats.
No, he is allowing the people involved in a specific campaign to encompss that specific campaign, which is what the thread was about in the first place, not the entire party. And I think you know what I was getting at with this thread, and I don't understand why you keep harping on the definition of "divided".
No, he is allowing the people involved in a specific campaign to encompss that specific campaign, which is what the thread was about in the first place, not the entire party. And I think you know what I was getting at with this thread, and I don't understand why you keep harping on the definition of "divided".
No, the people involved in the campaign are those working for McCain and Obama. The people in the crowds at rallies are supporters. Your thread was about which campaign has divided the country (voters). Those couple idiots at each rally (Obamas and McCains) don't speak for the rest of the country.
I keep harping on the definition of divided because it's stupid to say that this nation is more divided now than it has been. It is not.
As for the negativity of this campaign, I'll admit it's negative. But, I believe 2004 was much worse.
No, the people involved in the campaign are those working for McCain and Obama. The people in the crowds at rallies are supporters. Your thread was about which campaign has divided the country (voters). Those couple idiots at each rally (Obamas and McCains) don't speak for the rest of the country.
I keep harping on the definition of divided because it's stupid to say that this nation is more divided now than it has been. It is not.
As for the negativity of this campaign, I'll admit it's negative. But, I believe 2004 was much worse.
No, I meant actions by people involved in the campaign, not the nut jobs at rallies.....they might be the product of the campaigns. And i also never said the country was more divided than ever, i just asked a question.
And I didn't mean divided in the sense that i'm a repub and you're a dem...i meant divided in the sense that I will not even tolerate your political views and you will not tolerate mine.
i meant divided in the sense that I will not even tolerate your political views and you will not tolerate mine.
OK. Well, with that definition, I still don't think there's any change. I mean look around on this site. You may be able to go back and read threads from '04. I think things are actually a lot more civil atleast here.
As for now verses an election in the 40s or 50s. Yes, it's more "divided" (your definition). But that's simply because there's more ways to debate now. Like message boards. Also, there's more sources of information in order for one to form an opinion.
I think the question is one typically posed by the media.... and honestly, no offense to you at all, but I dislike it. IMHO it's always been a filler question that offers no real objective answer. It's kind of, a meaningless question.
so we are divided anyway all the time but the campaigns don't have anything to do with that at all? they don't contribute? and the 2004 election was more hatefilled than this?
I don't get it, I don't agree at all
No one shouted "kill him" to cheers at a Bush rally 2004 for starters.
so we are divided anyway all the time but the campaigns don't have anything to do with that at all? they don't contribute? and the 2004 election was more hatefilled than this?
I don't get it, I don't agree at all
No one shouted "kill him" to cheers at a Bush rally 2004 for starters.
Yes; all campaigns do is get messages out about platforms of each party and candidate quality of each party. Regardless of what each campaign does, the voter base is still split.... hence, divided. Yes, the 2004 election was much much more hatefilled than this.
As for the "kill him" crap. So a few idiots this go around make it more devisive in aggregate? That argument is very very weak.
Yes; all campaigns do is get messages out about platforms of each party and candidate quality of each party. Regardless of what each campaign does, the voter base is still split.... hence, divided. Yes, the 2004 election was much much more hatefilled than this.
As for the "kill him" crap. So a few idiots this go around make it more devisive in aggregate? That argument is very very weak.
How was the 2004 election more hatefilled? I don't remember any specifics other than maybe the Daily Show or Letterman cracking jokes at the conservatives expense.
whoa come on now everyone new exactly what this thread is about ,the McCAIN CAMPAIGN is the one that took it to the next level of spewing hatred how can anyone here deny that ,we haven't heard kill McCAIN shouts at all at obama rallies ,it must be hard for the supporters of his to come to terms with the truth ....
How was the 2004 election more hatefilled? I don't remember any specifics other than maybe the Daily Show or Letterman cracking jokes at the conservatives expense.
whoa come on now everyone new exactly what this thread is about ,the McCAIN CAMPAIGN is the one that took it to the next level of spewing hatred how can anyone here deny that ,we haven't heard kill McCAIN shouts at all at obama rallies ,it must be hard for the supporters of his to come to terms with the truth ....
How about the Obama supporters wearing and selling shirts that read...
Sarah Palin is a C*NT.
Yea, that's not bad. Come on, dude. There's a few idiots on both sides.
And there have not been Kill Obama chants at McCain rallies...
Seriously though...no party has caused a divide more then the media.
yeah right ....the media? so when palin is spewing her bullshit what is the media to do not report it ? all her real america bullshit i tell you where real america is ? right here in NY ....
Fox news executive vice-president John Moody's statement:
"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."
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No, the media reports on Palin spewing her bullshit....they never actually report into what she is actually spewing. The media would rather report on Palin's wardrobe or pregnant daughter rather then Obama's association with Ayers or Obama's ACORN. They dwell on Palin's mistakes and turn a cheek at Biden when he goofs......but whatever......the media drew a dividing line in the ground during the 2000 election.
Missed you Pepper glad to see you back here. The media broadcasts what sells and brings in viewers and many time what NOW drives that is what's happening on the internet.
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In all honesty I did not miss this place...to many blind followers...but just thought I would poke my head in...been gone because my wife and I finally had our baby so he has been keeping us busy
I can understand that well congratulations on your baby they can certainly take up lots of concentrated time. Leaves much less for sleep. I've been there and it's a special time so enjoy it, it WILL fly by quicky.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Sorry, I'm completely missing your argument my friend.
Is this a discussion of syntax or theory?
What is your definition of a nation divided? If you were to use it.
It's more syntax, I suppose. But, I think there's a bit of theory.
My definition would be...
-50% Republican
-50% Democrat
That's as divided as you can get. The point that it's bad to be divided is silly.
But it is bad when hatred is used to divide us.
Sure we are divided when it comes to many issues but many peeps are born followers of emotions.
Calling another fellow American a terrorist based on unfounded ideology is pure and simple hatred that stirs emotions. Same can be said of the race issue. Combine them and keep stirring the embers every day at rallies is very divisive
We didn't have this with the swiftboaters because it didn't stir up as much hatred as it was simply mudslinging that didn't cause violent reactions.
Here you are allowing a few individuals to encompass an entire party. To be accurate, there were also people wearing and selling shirts about Palin at Dem rallies. I'm not going to get all worked up over a few idiots.
Regardless, there's always and there will always be some who take it too far. That's another story. But, divided we are and will remain. Nothing changes that.... regardless of what the media tries to force down our throats.
No, he is allowing the people involved in a specific campaign to encompss that specific campaign, which is what the thread was about in the first place, not the entire party. And I think you know what I was getting at with this thread, and I don't understand why you keep harping on the definition of "divided".
No, the people involved in the campaign are those working for McCain and Obama. The people in the crowds at rallies are supporters. Your thread was about which campaign has divided the country (voters). Those couple idiots at each rally (Obamas and McCains) don't speak for the rest of the country.
I keep harping on the definition of divided because it's stupid to say that this nation is more divided now than it has been. It is not.
As for the negativity of this campaign, I'll admit it's negative. But, I believe 2004 was much worse.
No, I meant actions by people involved in the campaign, not the nut jobs at rallies.....they might be the product of the campaigns. And i also never said the country was more divided than ever, i just asked a question.
And I didn't mean divided in the sense that i'm a repub and you're a dem...i meant divided in the sense that I will not even tolerate your political views and you will not tolerate mine.
OK. Well, with that definition, I still don't think there's any change. I mean look around on this site. You may be able to go back and read threads from '04. I think things are actually a lot more civil atleast here.
As for now verses an election in the 40s or 50s. Yes, it's more "divided" (your definition). But that's simply because there's more ways to debate now. Like message boards. Also, there's more sources of information in order for one to form an opinion.
I think the question is one typically posed by the media.... and honestly, no offense to you at all, but I dislike it. IMHO it's always been a filler question that offers no real objective answer. It's kind of, a meaningless question.
I don't get it, I don't agree at all
No one shouted "kill him" to cheers at a Bush rally 2004 for starters.
Yes; all campaigns do is get messages out about platforms of each party and candidate quality of each party. Regardless of what each campaign does, the voter base is still split.... hence, divided. Yes, the 2004 election was much much more hatefilled than this.
As for the "kill him" crap. So a few idiots this go around make it more devisive in aggregate? That argument is very very weak.
How was the 2004 election more hatefilled? I don't remember any specifics other than maybe the Daily Show or Letterman cracking jokes at the conservatives expense.
lol Two words....
Bush Cheney
That's all I have to say.
How about the Obama supporters wearing and selling shirts that read...
Sarah Palin is a C*NT.
Yea, that's not bad. Come on, dude. There's a few idiots on both sides.
Dead on accurate. I don't see the term divide as appropriate. But, if there's an instigator involved in this political race it's the media.
yeah right ....the media? so when palin is spewing her bullshit what is the media to do not report it ? all her real america bullshit i tell you where real america is ? right here in NY ....
Fox news executive vice-president John Moody's statement:
"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."
Missed you Pepper glad to see you back here. The media broadcasts what sells and brings in viewers and many time what NOW drives that is what's happening on the internet.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I can understand that well congratulations on your baby they can certainly take up lots of concentrated time. Leaves much less for sleep. I've been there and it's a special time so enjoy it, it WILL fly by quicky.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)