Why Hamas May be Right - The Recognition Trap

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  • Rue D'Awakening
    Rue D'Awakening Posts: 143
    qtegirl wrote:
    I don't know. Part of the problem could be that 30% of the Hamas government was arrested after the elections?

    you're gonna have to cite a source that doesn't exist for that claim.
    israel only started arresting hamas parliamentarians this summer after hamas killed two soldiers and kidnapped a 3rd in israeli territory beyond the gaza strip.

    and before you respond by regurgitating noam chomsky's fantasy about how that attack was in retaliation for israel supposedly going into gaza and kidnapping two civilians (?!) consider that the tunnel hamas dug to reach the israeli position they attacked took two months to dig.
    Anti Zionism is not Anti Semitism

    Most antizionists are antisemites
  • Rue D'Awakening
    Rue D'Awakening Posts: 143
    ps- articles like that are bad for you.
    Anti Zionism is not Anti Semitism

    Most antizionists are antisemites
  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    El_Kabong wrote:
    b/c of the blockades a large % of palestinian children live w/ severe malnutrition and no viable access to medical facilities...

    So maybe their fathers and brothers should spend their time building hospitials and growing crops instead of building suicide bombs and homemade rockets to lob at jewish children.
  • qtegirl
    qtegirl Posts: 321
    the face wrote:
    So maybe their fathers and brothers should spend their time building hospitials and growing crops instead of building suicide bombs and homemade rockets to lob at jewish children.
    So, what your saying is that the only thing that 100% of the palestinians do, from the time they wake up to the time they go to bed, is "how am I going to kill some israelis today?"

    If you believe that Israel wants peace, why can't you believe that Palestinians want peace too? These are people too. They have wifes and houses and children and get hungry, hot, cold, just like you and me.

    The situation that they live in is completely different from yours and my situation. They live under occupation with no control whatsoever for their own lives. They can't get up in the morning and just go to work, with 60% unemployment in Gaza. Is it because they're lazy? I think not. Farmers cultivate the land, but they have to watch their produce rot because the Rafa border is closed... what do you do now? How are you going to feed your family today?

    See, I can empathize because I've lived through a war. I know what it's like to hide behind your couch because bullets are flying outside. I know what it's like to have strangers come into your house and "confiscate" all your stuff. I know what desperation is because I saw it many times on my mom's face. What would she have done to protect me, to protect herself, to defend our family. I can only imagine.

    I don't agree with suicide bombers, I think they are cowards. But comparing Qassam rockets to tanks and attack planes is like comparing machine guns to sling shots.

    I'm not from the middle east, but I read and try to understand what's going on and I try to empathize with both sides. But right now, not 30 years ago, but right at this moment, I believe that Israel is wrong and that their policies are wrong. I think that most civilians in Israel want peace, but I don't think that the actions of its government are going to bring them peace. I think what the Israeli government is doing in the name of security is making matters worse, not better.

    Maybe you have a problem with what I say, but you don't know me and you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't like that I post other people's articles, but I want to share information that I believe is important. If you don't like it, don't read my posts and don't reply to them. As a matter of fact, you can just set me to "ignore" and then you don't have to read ANYTHING that I post. That would be just fine with me.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    qtegirl wrote:

    Maybe you have a problem with what I say, but you don't know me and you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't like that I post other people's articles, but I want to share information that I believe is important. If you don't like it, don't read my posts and don't reply to them. As a matter of fact, you can just set me to "ignore" and then you don't have to read ANYTHING that I post. That would be just fine with me.

    SO you really only want to preach to the choir?
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    so ... ultimately the question is has israel ever recognize palestinians right to exist and a nation??
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    the face wrote:
    So maybe their fathers and brothers should spend their time building hospitials and growing crops instead of building suicide bombs and homemade rockets to lob at jewish children.

    For all your repetitive chattering about reading a book and gaining some knowledge, that has to be the most unintelligent post I have every seen. For all your supposed education you sure showeda extreme lack of it as well as class in that post.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    the face wrote:
    Don't any of you people have a thought of their own on this subject? Cutting and pasting can be done by a chimp. Instead of pasting articles from authors with a clear axe to grind, say something original. Then maybe people will listen..


    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=227188

    ain't hypocrisy great...
  • the face
    the face Posts: 192
    qtegirl wrote:
    So, what your saying is that the only thing that 100% of the palestinians do, from the time they wake up to the time they go to bed, is "how am I going to kill some israelis today?"

    If you believe that Israel wants peace, why can't you believe that Palestinians want peace too? These are people too. They have wifes and houses and children and get hungry, hot, cold, just like you and me.

    The situation that they live in is completely different from yours and my situation. They live under occupation with no control whatsoever for their own lives. They can't get up in the morning and just go to work, with 60% unemployment in Gaza. Is it because they're lazy? I think not. Farmers cultivate the land, but they have to watch their produce rot because the Rafa border is closed... what do you do now? How are you going to feed your family today?

    See, I can empathize because I've lived through a war. I know what it's like to hide behind your couch because bullets are flying outside. I know what it's like to have strangers come into your house and "confiscate" all your stuff. I know what desperation is because I saw it many times on my mom's face. What would she have done to protect me, to protect herself, to defend our family. I can only imagine.

    I don't agree with suicide bombers, I think they are cowards. But comparing Qassam rockets to tanks and attack planes is like comparing machine guns to sling shots.

    I'm not from the middle east, but I read and try to understand what's going on and I try to empathize with both sides. But right now, not 30 years ago, but right at this moment, I believe that Israel is wrong and that their policies are wrong. I think that most civilians in Israel want peace, but I don't think that the actions of its government are going to bring them peace. I think what the Israeli government is doing in the name of security is making matters worse, not better.

    Maybe you have a problem with what I say, but you don't know me and you don't know where I'm coming from. You don't like that I post other people's articles, but I want to share information that I believe is important. If you don't like it, don't read my posts and don't reply to them. As a matter of fact, you can just set me to "ignore" and then you don't have to read ANYTHING that I post. That would be just fine with me.

    I have no problem with what you say. This is a discussion board. If you are right, Ill be happy to agree with you. When I know you are just flat out wrong, then I will say so. I never said every Palestinian makes bombs and shoots rockets. But some do. And last time I check there were no Jews left in Gaza. Only Palestinians who are now shooting at each other. I really am symapthetic to those Palestinians who want to live in Peace and believe they are in the majority. I also believe the majority of Israelis are also willing to give the Palestinians land for Peace. Unfortunatley Hamas wants all the land, and that, therefore is the problem. In fact that is why Palestinians are now shooting each other instead of Jews. It's too bad. I was simply suggesting that they just need to wake up and smell the coffee. Israel is not leaving. And they do want peace. They also want peace from Katyusha rockets, Suicide Bombers and the rest. No other nation on earth would take the kind of criticism Israel has for protecting itself from these kinds of abominations. Having literally just returned from Israel and visiting some of the off limits Palestinian areas I do speak from first hand knowledge, not left wing internet articles

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