anyway, Obama easily won the debate... Clinton did terrible... I think we can call it

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/texas/texas_democratic_presidential_primary

    i know polls mean little (especially lately). That being said, i think Rasmussen is generally the most trusted. Whats interesting here, is the trend. There is definitely a trend in one direction. Also interesting, i think, is when you consider that lately (post super Tuesday) Obama has been seriously outperforming the polls. For example, poll estimates had him ahead in Wisconsin by only a few points on the day of the primary. He won by 17 points. If all the trends continue, Tuesday could be the end of this thing.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    six days later, and i'm no longer so sure that Obama will clean house tomorrow. memories are short, and there's been some negative press about Obama, fair or not. it's hard to tell how Texas and Ohio Democrats will vote - i am finding it hard to wait until the results come in tomorrow night.

    how will this NAFTA issue play?
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/03/democrats.primaries/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

    what about the increasing mentions of Barack Obama's middle name Hussein? i think it's insane and awful that anyone would think differently of him simply because of a name, but the fact is people will... i just don't know how many.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    six days later, and i'm no longer so sure that Obama will clean house tomorrow. memories are short, and there's been some negative press about Obama, fair or not. it's hard to tell how Texas and Ohio Democrats will vote - i am finding it hard to wait until the results come in tomorrow night.

    how will this NAFTA issue play?
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/03/democrats.primaries/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

    what about the increasing mentions of Barack Obama's middle name Hussein? i think it's insane and awful that anyone would think differently of him simply because of a name, but the fact is people will... i just don't know how many.

    I am not feeling good at all about the primaries today. I really think Hillary will win 3/4, but I think Obama will win Vermont big and win the caucus portion of Texas.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    I am not feeling good at all about the primaries today. I really think Hillary will win 3/4, but I think Obama will win Vermont big and win the caucus portion of Texas.

    Yeah, i don't see Obama winning anything but Vermont today. The last few days have been pretty shitty. Its all bullshit of course, but the dirty tactics are working. i'm pretty depressed going in today. We'll see.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    cornnifer wrote:
    Yeah, i don't see Obama winning anything but Vermont today. The last few days have been pretty shitty. Its all bullshit of course, but the dirty tactics are working. i'm pretty depressed going in today. We'll see.

    I don't think I could be more depressed. I'm fucking sore from basketball tonight, I was up with a pregnant wife in the middle of the night, my iPod decided to crap out and lose 6,000 songs, 6" of snow is on its way, and Obama has no momentum at the moment.

    The dirty tricks w/ the Muslim rumor, Canadian gov't, Rezko, and the 3am ad have really deflated the Obama campaign.

    Let's extend the primary and keep giving the Republicans material to use against us in November...that sounds like a great fucking idea.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    I don't think I could be more depressed. I'm fucking sore from basketball tonight, I was up with a pregnant wife in the middle of the night, my iPod decided to crap out and lose 6,000 songs, 6" of snow is on its way, and Obama has no momentum at the moment.

    The dirty tricks w/ the Muslim rumor, Canadian gov't, Rezko, and the 3am ad have really deflated the Obama campaign.

    Let's extend the primary and keep giving the Republicans material to use against us in November...that sounds like a great fucking idea.

    Yeah, add on top of it all the republican crossover to do just that. i was taking the kiddos to school this morning and heard on talk radio (captive audience as i was) on conservative call in shows all the talk of callers laughing and saying they got up this morning to vote for clinton just to keep the race going. i'm hoping the substantial early voting helps Obama a bit. He has been way outperforming the polls. i guess i'm trying to stay positive. Not really working though.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    Buck up, little troopers. :)

    Not that we like it, but didn't we kind of have an idea that these few weeks off would slow his momentum? It was to be expected. As was the "kitchen sink" approach Hillary is using. It is a bummer.

    To keep it upbeat tonight...at my house, we're doing appetizers and beer for dinner.

    I just can't believe it still might continue on for a month or more. I'm tired of her voice already.
  • MasterFramerMasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    You guys need to buck the fuck up... we all know unless Hillary wins by double digits in every state the math is not there. Remain positive. They want to end it in Penn? Fine bitch, lets do it.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    You guys need to buck the fuck up... we all know unless Hillary wins by double digits in every state the math is not there. Remain positive. They want to end it in Penn? Fine bitch, lets do it.

    I'm not worried about the nomination slipping away. You are right, the math is in Obamas corner. He could come out tonight losing only 5 delegates. However, I'm sick and tired of the Clinton campaign doing the Republicans dirty work for them. We cannot take 6+ more weeks of this as a party. It's got too negative and every attack that Hillary uses against Obama is repeated by John McCain within hours.
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    The Republicans are sabotaging this thing in Texas today. In Texas you don't register for a party. You can vote in either primary. All of the Republicans are voting for Hilary in the Democratic primary on the theory that she is easier to beat than Obama.

    Just so you know. It is all over the news down here.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    You guys need to buck the fuck up... we all know unless Hillary wins by double digits in every state the math is not there. Remain positive. They want to end it in Penn? Fine bitch, lets do it.
    Thanks. i needed this. :)


    That being said, i personally don't want this going on to Penn.

    Again, thanks, your type of inspiration here was needed :) .
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • HollyweirdHollyweird Posts: 197
    Still callin it? See you at the convention.
  • HollyweirdHollyweird Posts: 197
    Still callin it? See you at the convention.
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    its not over yet. and just so you know, i really like Obama. i like Clinton too.

    am i one of the few that will be okay with either of them as the nominee?
    Peace, Love.


    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    six days later, and i'm no longer so sure that Obama will clean house tomorrow. memories are short, and there's been some negative press about Obama, fair or not. it's hard to tell how Texas and Ohio Democrats will vote - i am finding it hard to wait until the results come in tomorrow night.

    how will this NAFTA issue play?
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/03/democrats.primaries/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

    what about the increasing mentions of Barack Obama's middle name Hussein? i think it's insane and awful that anyone would think differently of him simply because of a name, but the fact is people will... i just don't know how many.
    Are they that detached from reality that they actually believe some of the things they read/hear?? They don't worry about the bigger issues at hand.

    Instead they worry about how much obama stinks in the morning, the fact he won't wear an american flag pin, his middle name is Hussein blah blah blah, and the saddest thing of all is that people listen to that rubbish and cast a vote based on that and not the real issues that actually matter.

    The people that post the rubbish that is clearly not true might be sitting back laughing right now, but at the end of the day the jokes on them. The idiots listened.

    And the rest of the world is laughing....
  • HollyweirdHollyweird Posts: 197
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Are they that detached from reality that they actually believe some of the things they read/hear?? They don't worry about the bigger issues at hand.

    Instead they worry about how much obama stinks in the morning, the fact he won't wear an american flag pin, his middle name is Hussein blah blah blah, and the saddest thing of all is that people listen to that rubbish and cast a vote based on that and not the real issues that actually matter.

    The people that post the rubbish that is clearly not true might be sitting back laughing right now, but at the end of the day the jokes on them. The idiots listened.

    And the rest of the world is laughing....

    U have so much insight into what motivates everyones votes? Maybe everyone is seeing what Obama really is..a one issue candidate who is all talk and no track record of any kind....
  • Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Are they that detached from reality that they actually believe some of the things they read/hear?? They don't worry about the bigger issues at hand.

    Instead they worry about how much obama stinks in the morning, the fact he won't wear an american flag pin, his middle name is Hussein blah blah blah, and the saddest thing of all is that people listen to that rubbish and cast a vote based on that and not the real issues that actually matter.

    The people that post the rubbish that is clearly not true might be sitting back laughing right now, but at the end of the day the jokes on them. The idiots listened.

    And the rest of the world is laughing....

    If this nation cared anything about the issues they wouldn't be voting for either of these two.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Hollyweird wrote:
    U have so much insight into what motivates everyones votes? Maybe everyone is seeing what Obama really is..a one issue candidate who is all talk and no track record of any kind....
    you said 'everyone', you might be right, but i doubt that. i still agree with Kenny that 'some' people will still cast their votes on ridiculous myths alone and hopefully they won't be the ones that makes the difference.

    I should not have said 'idiots' in my post. i should have said 'some' idiots. apologies for that.
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