Study proves smoking pot causes "coughing and wheezing"!!!

kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Fuck me! I had no clue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/6922379.stm

Thank you Great Britain for all of your great research on cannabis as of late.
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  • That would all be good if people smoked weed in the same quantities as tobacco. I believe it's a fair bit less in reality to make a valid comparison.

    If you smoke both...well ouch. Don't smoke cigarettes, and don't chain smoke weed like cigarettes....but does anyone smoke like 10-20+ cigarette size joints a day in reality? Like a half ounce a day?

    Herb also does not have a zillion nasty chemicals in it either.

    Anti pot propaganda. I think they forgot to include the things I just mentioned on purpose.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    i laffed out loud when I read the title of your thread and first sentence.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Homer on WEED.

    Peace to the herb trees
    Earle
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    This one is barely worth fighting, but I have to point out a few things that I found almost laughable:


    A single cannabis joint could damage the lungs as much as smoking up to five tobacco cigarettes one after another,

    One joint could cause as much damage as up to five cigarettes

    The authors said: "The most important finding was that one joint of cannabis was similar to 2.5 to five tobacco cigarettes in terms of causing airflow obstruction.

    So they say "up to" five times twice in the article before saying the actual result they found...which just happens to vary by 50% of the total they'd already given twice. The variance is huge...but still much less than the old line we were fed...I was always told growing up that it was more like a hundred joints to a cig.

    However, in this study, people who smoked only cannabis were not found to suffer from emphysema, a serious and crippling lung disease which was previously thought to be linked to the drug. .
    Well, it sounds like this is the only "new" finding from this study. Why isn't this the headline? Everything else is old news.


    Then they drop this bomb again:
    The warnings come after recent research suggested cannabis smokers were 40% more likely than non-users to suffer psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia.


    It's almost like there was another non-story published in order to promote the first one as truth....
    a couple lines from the first article that they left out in regards to the psycho claim:
    "they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis" (couldn't prove it? aren't they supposed to be objective about these things?)
    and
    "Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses"

    ....and the fact that your chance of suffering psychoses rises 40%...of 1%.


    Funny stuff.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    That would all be good if people smoked weed in the same quantities as tobacco. I believe it's a fair bit less in reality to make a valid comparison.

    If you smoke both...well ouch. Don't smoke cigarettes, and don't chain smoke weed like cigarettes....but does anyone smoke like 10-20+ cigarette size joints a day in reality? Like a half ounce a day?

    Herb also does not have a zillion nasty chemicals in it either.

    Anti pot propaganda. I think they forgot to include the things I just mentioned on purpose.

    i used to and i definitely felt it in the lungs. i was chronically sick all the time. but that's a pretty ridiculous amount to smoke and i had some issues and doubt many people do the same as i did.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Fools! You don't get off if you didn't cough. ;)

    Stay away from the hydro and stick to the island herb.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    The European way of skinning up requires the addition of tobacco to a spliff. I'm not surprised people cough and wheeze.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    It also causes a nice buzz.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    The European way of skinning up requires the addition of tobacco to a spliff. I'm not surprised people cough and wheeze.


    Don't you worry that it is a local problem over there Fins. It happens over here too.
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  • StaffanStaffan Posts: 606
    g under p wrote:
    Homer on WEED.

    Peace to the herb trees
    Earle

    Thanks for posting this link, I saw this episode late one night long time ago, I've been looking for it since !

    So I'll spark another owl and watch it and laugh my a** off again & again
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    this one is easy...just get a Volcano....issue resolved... :D

  • It's almost like there was another non-story published in order to promote the first one as truth....
    a couple lines from the first article that they left out in regards to the psycho claim:
    "they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis" (couldn't prove it? aren't they supposed to be objective about these things?)
    and
    "Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses"

    ....and the fact that your chance of suffering psychoses rises 40%...of 1%.

    Funny stuff.

    And that's how the propaganda is strewn. They push a new story quoting the other along the lines of matter of fact.

    Yes....the propaganda machine hard at work sewing the seeds.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    inmytree wrote:
    this one is easy...just get a Volcano....issue resolved... :D

    my sister got one during her bout with cancer. she says it's well worth the money. guess i'll have to invest in one.
  • That would all be good if people smoked weed in the same quantities as tobacco. I believe it's a fair bit less in reality to make a valid comparison.

    If you smoke both...well ouch. Don't smoke cigarettes, and don't chain smoke weed like cigarettes....but does anyone smoke like 10-20+ cigarette size joints a day in reality? Like a half ounce a day?

    Herb also does not have a zillion nasty chemicals in it either.

    Anti pot propaganda. I think they forgot to include the things I just mentioned on purpose.
    To add to your extremely accurate post..

    Pot's amazing stress relief ability is never mentioned in these things. Weed pulled me out of the worst depression of my life (weed and playing music). My grades were inching towards failing at the time but because of weed I was able to pull them all back up to A's and B's in a matter of months. I wasn't stressed out, I was getting sleep, etc etc.
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  • StaffanStaffan Posts: 606
    inmytree wrote:
    this one is easy...just get a Volcano....issue resolved... :D

    Just curious, what's a volcano, apart from a big mountain spewing lava : )
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    Except Sundays, that's Ed day.

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  • i used to and i definitely felt it in the lungs. i was chronically sick all the time. but that's a pretty ridiculous amount to smoke and i had some issues and doubt many people do the same as i did.

    Oh yes...it's definitely up there. Resins abound. I don't understand people who mix in tobacco, especially if they don't smoke cigs....good way to get addicted to smoking if you ask me.

    If it was legalized, they could develop killer potent strains so all you would need is one or two inhales....good for hours.

    This pre-historic weed has the potential to put many big pharmaceuticals out of a lot of business. I think the government figured that out pretty quick with their G13 marijuana grow project.

    That's the reality of it in my opinion.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • StonEd67 wrote:
    Just curious, what's a volcano, apart from a big mountain spewing lava : )

    A vaporizer... i.e. zero smoke. Supposed to definitely work, and extremely well from what I hear.

    http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/9985volcano_pic.JPG
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/6922379.stm

    Study proves smoking pot causes "coughing and wheezing"!!!

    Yes, wouldn't want anyone coughing and wheezing as a result of smoking marijuana. It's important that our coughing and wheezing be exclusively a result of the filth and crap corporations emitt into our air.


    What a ridiculous study.

    It even states in the article that any damage is relative to the quantity of marijuana is smoked and one's daily smoking habits.

    Geeeee....you think?:rolleyes:

    Isn't this the case with everything? If one abuses, over-uses or over-does anything; it it bad for one's health.

    Moderation is always the key in all things.

    If you drink too much water, it is bad for your health and in extreme cases....one can die.

    If you over-exercise it is detrimental to one's health. Too much sugar, bad. Too much milk, bad.

    The fact is, the naturally occuring chemicals in marijuana are less dangerous to our health, than the pesticides, hormones, steroids and anti-biotics that are in our milk, eggs, meat, wheat, corn, fruits and all foods not organically grown. But you won't see any major studies done on this and then published in a major newspaper or media outlet.....

    " Warning: The Pesticides, Hormones, Steroids and Anti-Biotics Which Are In Our Milk, Eggs, Meat, Wheat, Corn, Fruits and All Foods Not Organically Grown; Are Extremely Harmful. Only Organically Grown Foods Are Void Of All These Harmful Contaminents and Chemicals!"

    It will be a cold day in hell before we see that headline splashed across a BBC or CNN headline!

    Mercury, anyone?:rolleyes:

    Apparently, now they're trying to downplay and deminish the dangers and severity of mercury in fish, water and in the soil.

    It is mindnumbing how much attention, focus and press marijuana receives from a certain large percentage of the population- as they preach the "evils and dangers " of marijuana. But they're feeding their families/kids milk and meat that is contaminated with pesticides, hormones, steroids and anti-biotics; which result in a plethora of deadly health problems.

    As for psychological disorders or diseases, I don't believe there's any doubt that anyone with a pre-existing problem will only have the problem magnified by marijuana use. In the same way that pre-existing psychological disorders or diseases will lead to alcohol abuse, which results in the magnification of their psychological problems, which in turn will lead to more alcohol abuse.

    Doesn't take a genius to see that.

    Any time a human being abuses, over-uses or over-does any substance or anything; it's obvious there is a pre-existing psychological or emotional problem. It is the extent and severity of the problem and how it effects one's health, stability and life; which is in question.

    The pre-existing psychological or emotional problem is the gateway to more severe and dangerous drug abuse. Not marijuana.

    A majority of people who have either tried or still use marijuana, exercise an approach of moderation.

    Saying marijuana is a gateway to other more dangerous drug abuse; is like saying getting one's first blowjob is the gateway to becoming a promiscuous, anything-goes, bi-sexual swinger who will undoubtedly end up bareass naked in the middle of an orgy and having unprotected/unsafe sexual encounters with both genders and all walks of life.

    Absurd.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    And that's how the propaganda is strewn. They push a new story quoting the other along the lines of matter of fact.

    Yes....the propaganda machine hard at work sewing the seeds.
    Gee, so the anti-drug people have just adopted the same type of scientific analysis as the IPCC and global warming group.

    There's so much bullshit out there that at this point I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. When I see the type analysis being presented I know applying just a little common sense to my decisions will make for better analysis and decisions than just about anything being offered up by the scientfic community.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    StonEd67 wrote:
    Just curious, what's a volcano, apart from a big mountain spewing lava : )

    http://vaporizeit.com/Flyer_VolcanoVapsys_US.pdf
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Oh yes...it's definitely up there. Resins abound. I don't understand people who mix in tobacco, especially if they don't smoke cigs....good way to get addicted to smoking if you ask me.

    If it was legalized, they could develop killer potent strains so all you would need is one or two inhales....good for hours.

    This pre-historic weed has the potential to put many big pharmaceuticals out of a lot of business. I think the government figured that out pretty quick with their G13 marijuana grow project.

    That's the reality of it in my opinion.

    government pot is the highest quality. i got to try G-25 and it beats the best hydro. i hear they have new; more potent strains now. what few people realize is that different strains produce different reactions. for example; hawiian sativa will keep you wide awake and wanting to work. hawiian indica will put you down for hours. cross breeding the two cancells out the effects.
    when the world became smaller through frequent air travel; strains got cross bred and some lost potentcy. mexican weed is almost worthless.
    here's a website for those interested in different strains and the effects they produce.
    http://billstclair.com/emeryseeds.html
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    surferdude wrote:
    Gee, so the anti-drug people have just adopted the same type of scientific analysis as the IPCC and global warming group.

    There's so much bullshit out there that at this point I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. When I see the type analysis being presented I know applying just a little common sense to my decisions will make for better analysis and decisions than just about anything being offered up by the scientfic community.

    The thing is: you're smarter than the average bear. Most people read this drivel and take it as fact.
    I agree with you about the way information is presented…this is the case with pretty much any special interest group….or person, really.
    But comparitively, I think if the green folks are lying or manipulating….it's not as big a deal as the lies over prohibition. Prohibition is hurting the world on so many levels…the green movement, while having potentially negative financial/economic implications, is making the world a better place…. even if you believe that their approach is similar, the end result is much different.
  • surferdude wrote:
    Gee, so the anti-drug people have just adopted the same type of scientific analysis as the IPCC and global warming group.

    There's so much bullshit out there that at this point I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. When I see the type analysis being presented I know applying just a little common sense to my decisions will make for better analysis and decisions than just about anything being offered up by the scientfic community.


    Depends what comes across to you as common sense I suppose. I posses it in healthy quantities, and am told that frequently. I think nymytree's post above pretty much sums up the environmental impacts on food that are obvious.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    The thing is: you're smarter than the average bear. Most people read this drivel and take it as fact.
    I agree with you about the way information is presented…this is the case with pretty much any special interest group….or person, really.
    But comparitively, I think if the green folks are lying or manipulating….it's not as big a deal as the lies over prohibition. Prohibition is hurting the world on so many levels…the green movement, while having potentially negative financial/economic implications, is making the world a better place…. even if you believe that their approach is similar, the end result is much different.

    the green movement started in the 60's and has proven that man can live with nature and keep the balance. the others have proven that man cannot. people are more worried about second hand smoke than all the sulfur dioxide they breathe in. the same people refuse to take responsability for what they have done to the planet.
    i don't think it's so much HOW information is presented; but how people interpret it. people see only what they want to see.
  • I see a huge waste of money on a mild euphoric, safer than alcohol, natural plant that was here millions of years before man.

    Who has the right to say what it is, and what is done with it? Nobody owns it, nobody owns me. If I hurt no one (including myself) what exactly is the issue?

    That's what I see.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    I see a huge waste of money on a mild euphoric, safer than alcohol, natural plant that was here millions of years before man.

    Who has the right to say what it is, and what is done with it? Nobody owns it, nobody owns me. If I hurt no one (including myself) what exactly is the issue?

    That's what I see.

    and you haven't touched the medicinal uses. chemo is proven to harm the body. yet it is allowed as a treatment. pot not only stops the nausea but gives the patient an appitite. it also relieves pain.
    so are we banning pot because it makes you cough? breathing city air makes me cough. maybe we should ban breathing altogether.
  • government pot is the highest quality. i got to try G-25 and it beats the best hydro. i hear they have new; more potent strains now. what few people realize is that different strains produce different reactions. for example; hawiian sativa will keep you wide awake and wanting to work. hawiian indica will put you down for hours. cross breeding the two cancells out the effects.
    when the world became smaller through frequent air travel; strains got cross bred and some lost potentcy. mexican weed is almost worthless.
    here's a website for those interested in different strains and the effects they produce.
    http://billstclair.com/emeryseeds.html

    Yeah I tried a fair bit of the "supposed" G13. Rumor has it that the famous rasta guy Soma of Soma seeds in the Netherlands is a member of the church of the universe and he got some (a cutting from a plant that was snuck out of the gov't operation) and shared some of the seeds to a head shop local to me run by another reverend of the same "church". The place was actually called the G13 shop. This head shop was actually selling the stuff right out of the store on a medical license. They got busted just recently becasuse the whole place was essentially a grow op. Yeah really potent stuff.

    True one hitter type stuff. Two puffs and you're good for about 3 hours.

    Interesting plant indeed.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    i don't think it's so much HOW information is presented; but how people interpret it. people see only what they want to see.

    I agree with this to an extent. I think the main problem is a lack of critical thinking, not necessarily seeing what you want to see. I'm sure many people read articles like the one above with complete indifference....and because they don't really care about the topic, they don't even think to examine what is being presented. they just read it, accept it and move on. I took an interest in marketing when I was in my early teens...I have always found it interesting to see the ways companies try to manipulate us into buying their product....I think that led to me reading between the lines in everything I see thru the media.

    If we're talking environment and marijuana, we should point out what is probably an even bigger farce than the war on drugs, the continued interference with the hemp industry. If governments were serious about helping the environment , they'd be encouraging farmers to grow it instead of fighting it.
  • and you haven't touched the medicinal uses. chemo is proven to harm the body. yet it is allowed as a treatment. pot not only stops the nausea but gives the patient an appitite. it also relieves pain.
    so are we banning pot because it makes you cough? breathing city air makes me cough. maybe we should ban breathing altogether.

    I totally agree. Diesel fumes make cough and feel sick.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • I can buy this at pretty much any super market and it's quite tasty.
    http://www.globalhempstore.com/hemp-food/natures-path-hemp-cereal.html

    A really easy and tasty drinking beer available at all Canadian beer stores:
    http://www.thebeerstore.ca/beers/branddetails.asp?id=7553

    close...but no cigar ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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