Katherine Harris: "God chooses our rulers"

hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
edited August 2006 in A Moving Train
This woman is seriously disturbed. I'm glad to see she's far behind in the polls. Even Florida isn't nutty enough to send her to the Senate, are they?

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Harris made the comments -- which she clarified Saturday -- in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.

Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."

The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.

Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.

Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

State GOP leaders -- including Gov. Jeb Bush -- don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.
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  • I know some people on this forum will slam me for saying this, but I don't give a shit.....America, wtf is wrong with you ??!! Why do you put up with this shit? That's a rhetorical question, answered by America's seemingly endless appetite for religion as part of society. Harris (and many others) in the U.S. get away with this shit b/c there's a market for it in America. Instead of eschewing such sentiments for the tripe that they are, they instead get welcomed by large segments and gain legitimacy.

    In other democratic states in the world this shit isn't accepted b/c people realize that religion is a highly personal matter, and doesn't belong in the public sphere. And please, don't say that America just has a higher degree of free speech than other countries - what a load of shit ! Its much more about the lobbies in America, and the spineless politicians who refuse to adhere to the very rules that have already been legislated in the U.S. about the separation of church/state.
  • hippiemom wrote:
    This woman is seriously disturbed. I'm glad to see she's far behind in the polls. Even Florida isn't nutty enough to send her to the Senate, are they?

    Hopefully, the good people of Pennsylvania will vote to remove Rick Santorum from office, too...
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    So, uh, war isn't sin?
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • VictoryGin wrote:
    So, uh, war isn't sin?

    There you go again...

    You liberals are always using "facts" and "evidence" to point out contradictions and hypocrisy.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    There you go again...

    You liberals are always using "facts" and "evidence" to point out contradictions and hypocrisy.
    Damn you, damn you all to hell.

    And I'm not being judgemental or casting the first stone, just think of it as a request. ;)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Creepy and scary... yet, humourous at the same time.
    ...
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  • She sounds like the white female version of Alan Keyes.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I think it's time to cut Florida off from the rest of America and let it set adrift in the Caribbean... too many koky shit comes from there... but, what's to be expected? It's like America's penis and we need to be castrated.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    pretty funny of her to say god chooses our rulers, i guess god doesn't like her too much?
    ...
    Or God is not as smart as we have previously given him credit for.
    ...
    I wonder if she felt this way from 1992 to 2000.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think it's time to cut Florida off from the rest of America and let it set adrift in the Caribbean... too many koky shit comes from there... but, what's to be expected? It's like America's penis and we need to be castrated.

    I always said the same thing about California when I lived there...except the penis part...and the Carribean part.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    zstillings wrote:
    I always said the same thing about California when I lived there...except the penis part...and the Carribean part.
    ...
    I can only WISH that California was apart from the rest of the country... I think we can hold out on our own as a seperate nation. And I want us seperated by a body of water so people from Nebraska and Alabama can't just drive here and stay here.
    I say, "Welcome to California... Now, Go Home".
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I can only WISH that California was apart from the rest of the country... I think we can hold out on our own as a seperate nation. And I want us seperated by a body of water so people from Nebraska and Alabama can't just drive here and stay here.
    I say, "Welcome to California... Now, Go Home".

    It probably could survive as its own country. Get rid of San Francisco and the state is better off too.

    Would this body of water also separate the state from the Mexican border too? I'm pretty sure there would be problems keeping everyone else out just like there is now.

    It doesn't matter for me though. It looks like I'm headed back out that way at some point soon.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    zstillings wrote:
    It probably could survive as its own country. Get rid of San Francisco and the state is better off too.

    Would this body of water also separate the state from the Mexican border too? I'm pretty sure there would be problems keeping everyone else out just like there is now.

    It doesn't matter for me though. It looks like I'm headed back out that way at some point soon.
    ...
    Naw... we don't seem to mind the Mexicans as much. We are hating the Mexican haters more than the Mexicans themselves these days. Seems like most of the Mexican haters are imports here from points East, not South.
    And we like tacos much more than hush puppies.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Naw... we don't seem to mind the Mexicans as much. We are hating the Mexican haters more than the Mexicans themselves these days. Seems like most of the Mexican haters are imports here from points East, not South.
    And we like tacos much more than hush puppies.

    california...ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • hailhailkchailhailkc Posts: 582
    Well, Christians sin just as much as anyone else, and we're all born into sin according to the Bible...so technically...no matter who you vote for...(if you're a believer in the Bible)...you're voting for a sinner.
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  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think it's time to cut Florida off from the rest of America and let it set adrift in the Caribbean... too many koky shit comes from there... but, what's to be expected? It's like America's penis and we need to be castrated.

    Heh. Reminds me of something I saw on Youtube. I found it humerous anyway ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28MEuk7Yuo
  • mpg82mpg82 Posts: 83
    I wonder if she believes God wanted her to let Bush win Florida in 2000. How could Florida people vote for a freak like this? She's nuts.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    I think it's time to cut Florida off from the rest of America and let it set adrift in the Caribbean... too many koky shit comes from there... but, what's to be expected? It's like America's penis and we need to be castrated.


    Testicles are castrated, not penises.
  • moegossard wrote:
    Testicles are castrated, not penises.

    in this case, we didn't want to take any chances. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • "I'm often amazed at the way politicians, who spend hours poring over opinion
    poll results in a desperate attempt to discover what the public thinks, are
    certain they know precisely what God's views are on everything.":

    Simon Hoggart
    The world's greatest empires progress through this sequence:From bondage to spiritual faith; spiritual faith to great courage; courage to liberty;liberty to abundance;abundance to selfishness; selfishness to complacency;complacency to apathy;apathy to dependence;dependency back again into bondage
  • bicyclejoebicyclejoe Posts: 1,203
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Well, Christians sin just as much as anyone else, and we're all born into sin according to the Bible...so technically...no matter who you vote for...(if you're a believer in the Bible)...you're voting for a sinner.


    Right on. Without sin, there would have been no Christ. Without Christ and the Gospels, which call for love in the face of wicked sin, there would be no Christianity. What happened?
    I beleive in God. I believe in Christ. I believe in love. I don't believe in Katherine Harris.
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  • Hopefully, the good people of Pennsylvania will vote to remove Rick Santorum from office, too...

    My husband and I will do our part.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    this will win her votes. It worked for George...so it will work for her....dread the day she's elected..
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    it is ammusing she thinks only christians have morals...
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    miller8966 wrote:
    california...ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
    ...
    I'm glad you feel this way. It means you will never come to California... a good thing to Californians.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • hippiemom wrote:
    This woman is seriously disturbed. I'm glad to see she's far behind in the polls. Even Florida isn't nutty enough to send her to the Senate, are they?

    MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

    The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

    Harris made the comments -- which she clarified Saturday -- in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.

    Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

    Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'
    "If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

    Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.

    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.

    Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."

    The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.

    Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.

    Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

    State GOP leaders -- including Gov. Jeb Bush -- don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.


    And she voted against the bill to legailize marijuana for medical use. And reading what you posted above is fucking rediculous.
    Guess I'll trn on music instead...

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  • This upsets me...I hate Florida





    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060906/ap_on_re_us/florida_election_27

    MIAMI - Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record), who as secretary of state oversaw Florida's 2000 recount that gave George Bush the presidency, easily won the Republican nomination to challenge Sen. Bill Nelson (news, bio, voting record), shrugging off critics who derided her campaign as spectacularly inept.



    "Tonight I say to Bill Nelson: Come home, Bill. Enough is enough," Harris said Tuesday.

    Harris faces an uphill battle in her bid to unseat Nelson, though. Polls have shown the Democrat more than 30 points ahead of Harris in a general election matchup.

    Harris became a darling of the Republican Party after the 2000 recount, and she parlayed her name recognition into two terms in Congress. But state GOP leaders tried to talk her out of running for Senate, citing fears she would lose to Nelson and spur a large turnout by Democrats in November that would hurt the entire Republican ticket.

    In another closely watched race, U.S. Rep. Jim Davis (news, bio, voting record) won the Democratic nomination to succeed term-limited Gov. Jeb Bush, beating state Sen. Rod Smith. Davis' opponent in November will be Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist, who claimed the Republican nomination.

    Harris' campaign was widely ridiculed, even by her own party. Fundraising lagged, her appearance was mocked, staff members kept quitting, and she was linked to a corrupt defense contractor.

    Still, she won the primary comfortably, thanks to weak opposition and a strong base of support. Some 2 1/2 hours after the polls closed, the 49-year-old congresswoman arrived at her Tampa campaign headquarters to chants of "We want Katherine."

    "It's a great victory because it shows each of us we can overcome adversity to achieve extraordinary victories," Harris said.

    With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, Harris had 49 percent of the vote against three relative unknowns. Attorney Will McBride ran second at 30 percent, and retired Navy Admiral LeRoy Collins had 15 percent.

    Nelson didn't address Harris' win directly but said in a statement that he looked forward to "spending the next six years continuing to fight for the people of Florida in the United States Senate." The Democrat had no primary challenger.

    Despite a handful of late openings at polling places, the primary appeared to be debacle-free, with no problems reported to rival the troubled elections in 2000 and 2002. Rainy weather in South Florida and other parts of the state was expected to reduce turnout figures.

    "The primary election in Florida today ran very smoothly," said state Division of Elections spokesman Sterling Ivey.

    The Democratic race for governor tightened in recent days, but Smith fell short in his bid for a come-from-behind victory. Davis dogged Smith about his connections to big sugar companies, repeatedly pointing out how U.S. Sugar Corp. spent millions of dollars to fund attack ads.

    Davis spoke to supporters in Tampa shortly after Smith phoned to concede.

    "With all the talk of sugar in the news, let me say, how sweet it is," Davis said. "It's time to change direction, and tonight is a new beginning."

    Crist campaigned as a champion of consumer causes and the governor's policies — at least when it came to crime, taxes and education. A roar went up in Crist's hotel suite in St. Petersburg when he told family and supporters he'd been declared the winner.

    "All I want to be is the people's governor," Crist said, "and they should rest assured that if they elect me in November, no one will fight harder for the people."

    In other results, state Sen. Skip Campbell easily won the Democratic nomination for attorney general over a little-known lawyer who did not campaign. Bill McCollum, a former congressman, was unopposed for the Republican nomination.

    Senate President Tom Lee won the Republican nomination for chief financial officer, setting up a November race against Democrat Alex Sink.

    In the race for Harris' House seat, auto dealer Vern Buchanan fended off four opponents for the GOP nomination to fill the 13th District seat. He will face banker Christine Jennings, who easily won the Democratic nomination.
    Guess I'll trn on music instead...

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    This upsets me...I hate Florida

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060906/ap_on_re_us/florida_election_27

    MIAMI - Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record), who as secretary of state oversaw Florida's 2000 recount that gave George Bush the presidency, easily won the Republican nomination to challenge Sen. Bill Nelson (news, bio, voting record), shrugging off critics who derided her campaign as spectacularly inept.



    "Tonight I say to Bill Nelson: Come home, Bill. Enough is enough," Harris said Tuesday.

    Harris faces an uphill battle in her bid to unseat Nelson, though. Polls have shown the Democrat more than 30 points ahead of Harris in a general election matchup.

    Harris became a darling of the Republican Party after the 2000 recount, and she parlayed her name recognition into two terms in Congress. But state GOP leaders tried to talk her out of running for Senate, citing fears she would lose to Nelson and spur a large turnout by Democrats in November that would hurt the entire Republican ticket.

    In another closely watched race, U.S. Rep. Jim Davis (news, bio, voting record) won the Democratic nomination to succeed term-limited Gov. Jeb Bush, beating state Sen. Rod Smith. Davis' opponent in November will be Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist, who claimed the Republican nomination.

    Harris' campaign was widely ridiculed, even by her own party. Fundraising lagged, her appearance was mocked, staff members kept quitting, and she was linked to a corrupt defense contractor.

    Still, she won the primary comfortably, thanks to weak opposition and a strong base of support. Some 2 1/2 hours after the polls closed, the 49-year-old congresswoman arrived at her Tampa campaign headquarters to chants of "We want Katherine."

    "It's a great victory because it shows each of us we can overcome adversity to achieve extraordinary victories," Harris said.

    With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, Harris had 49 percent of the vote against three relative unknowns. Attorney Will McBride ran second at 30 percent, and retired Navy Admiral LeRoy Collins had 15 percent.

    Nelson didn't address Harris' win directly but said in a statement that he looked forward to "spending the next six years continuing to fight for the people of Florida in the United States Senate." The Democrat had no primary challenger.

    Despite a handful of late openings at polling places, the primary appeared to be debacle-free, with no problems reported to rival the troubled elections in 2000 and 2002. Rainy weather in South Florida and other parts of the state was expected to reduce turnout figures.

    "The primary election in Florida today ran very smoothly," said state Division of Elections spokesman Sterling Ivey.

    The Democratic race for governor tightened in recent days, but Smith fell short in his bid for a come-from-behind victory. Davis dogged Smith about his connections to big sugar companies, repeatedly pointing out how U.S. Sugar Corp. spent millions of dollars to fund attack ads.

    Davis spoke to supporters in Tampa shortly after Smith phoned to concede.

    "With all the talk of sugar in the news, let me say, how sweet it is," Davis said. "It's time to change direction, and tonight is a new beginning."

    Crist campaigned as a champion of consumer causes and the governor's policies — at least when it came to crime, taxes and education. A roar went up in Crist's hotel suite in St. Petersburg when he told family and supporters he'd been declared the winner.

    "All I want to be is the people's governor," Crist said, "and they should rest assured that if they elect me in November, no one will fight harder for the people."

    In other results, state Sen. Skip Campbell easily won the Democratic nomination for attorney general over a little-known lawyer who did not campaign. Bill McCollum, a former congressman, was unopposed for the Republican nomination.

    Senate President Tom Lee won the Republican nomination for chief financial officer, setting up a November race against Democrat Alex Sink.

    In the race for Harris' House seat, auto dealer Vern Buchanan fended off four opponents for the GOP nomination to fill the 13th District seat. He will face banker Christine Jennings, who easily won the Democratic nomination.

    read my post from last week...she's freakin smart with her comment.....I suggest anyone that owns a business to put a big fish in all your advertisements...on your billboard ...you will increase your business.....think we need some border collies to keep this herd in check.
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  • This is scary, scary stuff. I know this expression is usually reserved for terrorists and liberals, but I believe Ms. Harris actually hates America. Really, what's a more American value than the separation of church and state? Isn't that why the friggin' pilgrims came here in the first place?
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  • shes got my vote!!!!

    Katherine Harris fo U.S. senate!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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