A shot rings out in the Memphis sky ...

hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
39 years already ... when will we as a nation catch up to where this great man was 39 years ago?

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." ~ MLK, 1963
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    One man come in the name of love
    One man come and go.
    One man come he to justify
    One man to overthrow.

    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.
    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.

    One man caught on a barbed wire fence
    One man he resist
    One man washed up on an empty beach
    One man betrayed with a kiss.

    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.
    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.

    Early morning, April four
    Shot rings out in the Memphis sky.
    Free at last, they took your life
    They could not take your pride.

    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.
    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.

    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.
    In the name of love
    What more in the name of love.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Pnlhs7grQ
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    39 years already ... when will we as a nation catch up to where this great man was 39 years ago?

    "The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." ~ MLK, 1963

    I think hate is okay, not as a policy or anything like that, but as a fact of life.

    I'm good with the rest of it.

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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    cutback wrote:
    Early morning, April four
    Shot rings out in the Memphis sky.
    It was evening, not morning ... I always wondered why Bono wrote that, I'm sure he knew. I still love that song though :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    hippiemom wrote:
    It was evening, not morning ... I always wondered why Bono wrote that, I'm sure he knew. I still love that song though :)

    I know. Maybe he thought it sounded better. Or he had his facts wrong. ;) Either way the song is amazing, heard it 100's of times and it never disappoints.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    cutback wrote:
    I know. Maybe he thought it sounded better. Or he had his facts wrong. ;) Either way the song is amazing, heard it 100's of times and it never disappoints.

    he admitted to screwing it up in the lyrics :) Sometimes he changes it up to say evening.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    yeah ... that made no sense ...
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    chopitdown wrote:
    he admitted to screwing it up in the lyrics :) Sometimes he changes it up to say evening.
    Well I sure can't sit here on a Pearl Jam message board and be critical of a guy who screws up lyrics :)

    Gonna go home and listen to that album tonight, it's been a while.

    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thunder cloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Rain down on me
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thundercloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Let it rain
    Rain on me
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    It was evening, not morning ... I always wondered why Bono wrote that, I'm sure he knew. I still love that song though :)

    It may have been morning in Ireland?

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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    gue_barium wrote:
    It may have been morning in Ireland?

    ha! ... that's what i wrote earlier ... except you have to go the other way in the world ... and the next line is *a shot rings out in the memphis sky* ... so, it had to be memphis time ...
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    hippiemom wrote:
    Well I sure can't sit here on a Pearl Jam message board and be critical of a guy who screws up lyrics :)

    Gonna go home and listen to that album tonight, it's been a while.

    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thunder cloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Rain down on me
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thundercloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Let it rain
    Rain on me

    I wish I still had my vinyl of that album. :(
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    hippiemom wrote:
    Well I sure can't sit here on a Pearl Jam message board and be critical of a guy who screws up lyrics :)

    hehe... I believe in the 1994 atlanta concert Ed eludes to April 4th after one of the songs...something like...go home, check your history books and figure out why tomorrow is an important day to remember
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    hippiemom wrote:
    Well I sure can't sit here on a Pearl Jam message board and be critical of a guy who screws up lyrics :)

    Gonna go home and listen to that album tonight, it's been a while.

    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thunder cloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Rain down on me
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Mmm...mmm...mmm...
    So let it be
    Sleep
    Sleep tonight
    And may your dreams
    Be realized
    If the thundercloud
    Passes rain
    So let it rain
    Let it rain
    Rain on me


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEuM-C_M4H8
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    He was/is my hero. I can think of nobody who deserved more to be admired.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    'We must live together as brothers, or die together as fools'

    Rest in Peace, although he was far before my time.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."


    "Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. These are the triple evils that are interrelated. "


    "Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time — the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to violence and oppression. Civilization and violence are antithetical concepts… Sooner or later all the people of the world will have to discover a way to live together in peace, and thereby transform this pending cosmic elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. If this is to be achieved, man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love."
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • FoxwellFoxwell Posts: 142
    If any of you folks out there listen to This American Life, go back to the episode entitled "Kid Logic". Even if you don't subscribe, pay the $.99 to hear the episode; it'll be worth every cent.

    In a nutshell...a father is trying to explain to his four year old daughter the meaning of Christmas and the importance of Jesus' presence on the planet. They talked a lot about the Bible and its teachings, but the girl always brought the conversation back to the Golden Rule. It made sense to her. "Treat people the way you want to be treated" was something that made sense in her simple world.

    Things, however, got a bit sticky when she saw a particularly gruesome crucifix. Dad, trying to give the G-rated version of the story, explained that Jesus' message didn't sit well with the authorities. What he was preaching was so radical and unnerving that the Roman government had to kill him.

    Here is where I can just imagine the young girl's face trying to comprehend how something so simple and obvious could be so dangerous.

    So, moving ahead in the story...
    It's January 15 and dad is trying to explain to his daughter why she doesn't have school on Monday, "Martin Luther King was a preacher who..."

    "For Jesus!?!"

    "Yeah, for Jesus, but there was another thing he was famous for. He had a message."

    And dad, once again, is struggling to choose the words that a four year old will understand.

    "His message was that you should treat everyone the same no matter what they look like."

    After some thought she replies, "Well, that's what Jesus said."

    "Yeah, I guess you're right. That is a lot like 'do unto others...'."

    The girl mulls this over for a moment or two and asks her dad,
    "Did they kill him, too?"
    "In the depths of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer." -- Albert Camus

    "He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill

    "Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    cutback wrote:
    One man come in the name of love

    Early morning, April four
    Shot rings out in the Memphis sky.
    Free at last, they took your life
    They could not take your pride.

    just heard this in the car about an hour ago. good to know many are remembering MLK today. it amazes me just how many blacks had to die in that era and before (KKK, slavery, etc.) before justice finally prevailed.
  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    just heard this in the car about an hour ago. good to know many are remembering MLK today. it amazes me just how many blacks had to die in that era and before (KKK, slavery, etc.) before justice finally prevailed.

    meant to add this:


    Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
    That too many people have died?

    ~~Blowin' in the Wind~~Bob Dylan
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Foxwell wrote:
    If any of you folks out there listen to This American Life, go back to the episode entitled "Kid Logic". Even if you don't subscribe, pay the $.99 to hear the episode; it'll be worth every cent.

    In a nutshell...a father is trying to explain to his four year old daughter the meaning of Christmas and the importance of Jesus' presence on the planet. They talked a lot about the Bible and its teachings, but the girl always brought the conversation back to the Golden Rule. It made sense to her. "Treat people the way you want to be treated" was something that made sense in her simple world.

    Things, however, got a bit sticky when she saw a particularly gruesome crucifix. Dad, trying to give the G-rated version of the story, explained that Jesus' message didn't sit well with the authorities. What he was preaching was so radical and unnerving that the Roman government had to kill him.

    Here is where I can just imagine the young girl's face trying to comprehend how something so simple and obvious could be so dangerous.

    So, moving ahead in the story...
    It's January 15 and dad is trying to explain to his daughter why she doesn't have school on Monday, "Martin Luther King was a preacher who..."

    "For Jesus!?!"

    "Yeah, for Jesus, but there was another thing he was famous for. He had a message."

    And dad, once again, is struggling to choose the words that a four year old will understand.

    "His message was that you should treat everyone the same no matter what they look like."

    After some thought she replies, "Well, that's what Jesus said."

    "Yeah, I guess you're right. That is a lot like 'do unto others...'."

    The girl mulls this over for a moment or two and asks her dad,
    "Did they kill him, too?"

    I gotta friend of mine that talks about This American Life all the time. I gotta check it out. That was beautiful.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Hey, cool time zone theory, gue and polaris. If he was killed at 6:01 Memphis time, Central time, by my calculations*, it would have been 12:01 in Ireland, making it early morning!

    Great thread! What an amazing human being. :)






    *based on that the central time zone is one hour before me and that someone on this board in Ireland told me they were 5 hours ahead of me.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    .....
    I'll be back
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