"The trouble with the rat race is even if you win, you find out you're still a rat."

FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
So now that the Democrats have won Congress, when can I expect to live the good life? Will I get tax cuts? Possibly checks in the mail?

But seriously, is this how we're gonna live? Every 8 or so yrs we can expect a cleaning of house (so to speak) and perhaps an impeachment? Partisan politics and a growing polarization is ruining whatever minute amount of legitimate representative democracy we have left not to mention the citizens of this nation getting what they deserve (affordable health care, basic necessities like clean water and livable conditions). So everyone on the blue side can wish-wash themselves to victory, while everyone on the red side can shake their heads by thinking the nation will be that much unsafer or in worse hands - but in all honesty, we're just continuing the same ways as we have in the past which lead us to problems and issues.

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic - Benjamin Franklin
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I believe there is the possiblilty of impeachement proceedings to be considered over the next two years. Pelosi and Dean have stated it "isn't on the agenda" and it need not be. Sources are more than likely out there on abuses related to the Patriot Act, government employee or not, and I wouldn't be surprised that such reports would have a chance of garnerning the attention they deserve, thus bringing about that sort of situation. The Dems don't have to pursue anything that isn't in the best interest of the nation. And until a case is made that would legally obligate them otherwise, there isn't a need for an impeachment agenda.

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Neither the Dems or the Reps have the best interest of the nation at heart. Elections are ways for them to reach out to people inorder for them to be elected or re-elected and they do so by painting some false sense of reality of what they can do or will do (which 99.9% of the time don't follow through on). If they cared about our citizens or nation as they claim, we wouldn't see our society in the shape it is in (lax security issues, healthcare, social security, education, etc). All that stuff is neglected or auctioned off to the highest bidder to pass along the bill, yet we're left out in the cold. To the government, we're all little worker bee's - so keep working, consuming and paying your taxes and ignore the fact that we're screwing ourselves out of the future we so rightfully deserve. We're the richest nation in the world, yet our society is looking more and more like the 3rd world in regards to healthcare, education and freedoms - but maybe that's an accident? I doubt it.
    gue_barium wrote:
    I believe there is the possiblilty of impeachement proceedings to be considered over the next two years. Pelosi and Dean have stated it "isn't on the agenda" and it need not be. Sources are more than likely out there on abuses related to the Patriot Act, government employee or not, and I wouldn't be surprised that such reports would have a chance of garnerning the attention they deserve, thus bringing about that sort of situation. The Dems don't have to pursue anything that isn't in the best interest of the nation. And until a case is made that would legally obligate them otherwise, there isn't a need for an impeachment agenda.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Neither the Dems or the Reps have the best interest of the nation at heart. Elections are ways for them to reach out to people inorder for them to be elected or re-elected and they do so by painting some false sense of reality of what they can do or will do (which 99.9% of the time don't follow through on). If they cared about our citizens or nation as they claim, we wouldn't see our society in the shape it is in (lax security issues, healthcare, social security, education, etc). All that stuff is neglected or auctioned off to the highest bidder to pass along the bill, yet we're left out in the cold. To the government, we're all little worker bee's - so keep working, consuming and paying your taxes and ignore the fact that we're screwing ourselves out of the future we so rightfully deserve. We're the richest nation in the world, yet our society is looking more and more like the 3rd world in regards to healthcare, education and freedoms - but maybe that's an accident? I doubt it.
    And so goes the mood of your original post.
    First off, I understand your attitude, I do. I was scanning posts tonight and yours matched my mindset more than any other, hence the reply. If you read American history it's easy to see the cyclical, copyrighted, patented, cleaned and pressed omniprescence of those yahoo's at work. I understand that. I understand the Washington DC culture. I understand it is a culture unto itself. There hasn't been a shake-up in DC in the history of this country save for the Civil War.

    On the other hand, I can't honestly say that I displeased with the reults of this election.

    How about you?

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    My take on the results is simply this: we trade one more outwardly corrupt group for a lessor corrupt group. What will the Dems do? Raise the minimum wage a dollar or two - not a real answer to the polarization between rich/poor or more importantly a livable wage and an unlivable one. Fix things in Iraq or Afganistan or the war on terror? Before 9-11, the Dems were just as inept in Foreign Policy matters as the Reps which inherintly gets us into all this mess to begin with until they make a real effort to change these hypocritcal and unequal policies nothing will change - in fact they will only get worse.

    Plain and simple: Our government is controlled and run by our Business and Corporate interests. We the people are second hand leftovers and both the Dems and Reps are completely at fault and more importantly responsible for it. It's not a mistake or accident and people don't want to accept this clear fact. People would rather live in an illusion of reality and blame one party or another or one group like liberals or another like conservatives.

    In my opinion, whether your picking one group or the other, you are continuing the problem and merely only trying a band-aid fix rather than one that will really stop it from occuring.
    gue_barium wrote:
    And so goes the mood of your original post.
    First off, I understand your attitude, I do. I was scanning posts tonight and yours matched my mindset more than any other, hence the reply. If you read American history it's easy to see the cyclical, copyrighted, patented, cleaned and pressed omniprescence of those yahoo's at work. I understand that. I understand the Washington DC culture. I understand it is a culture unto itself. There hasn't been a shake-up in DC in the history of this country save for the Civil War.

    On the other hand, I can't honestly say that I displeased with the reults of this election.

    How about you?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FiveB247x wrote:
    My take on the results is simply this: we trade one more outwardly corrupt group for a lessor corrupt group. What will the Dems do? Raise the minimum wage a dollar or two - not a real answer to the polarization between rich/poor or more importantly a livable wage and an unlivable one. Fix things in Iraq or Afganistan or the war on terror? Before 9-11, the Dems were just as inept in Foreign Policy matters as the Reps which inherintly gets us into all this mess to begin with until they make a real effort to change these hypocritcal and unequal policies nothing will change - in fact they will only get worse.

    Plain and simple: Our government is controlled and run by our Business and Corporate interests. We the people are second hand leftovers and both the Dems and Reps are completely at fault and more importantly responsible for it. It's not a mistake or accident and people don't want to accept this clear fact. People would rather live in an illusion of reality and blame one party or another or one group like liberals or another like conservatives.

    In my opinion, whether your picking one group or the other, you are continuing the problem and merely only trying a band-aid fix rather than one that will really stop it from occuring.

    What do you mean by corrupt? Each administration begins with a fresh slate. There is no corruption until corruption occurs. Yes, there is a trend within our nation's capital to keep things under that particular control, and it does come down to Business and Corporations controling what they can control with the false premise of cha-ching. Money doesn't mean shit to me, either. Yet, there it is.

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  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    FiveB247x wrote:
    So now that the Democrats have won Congress, when can I expect to live the good life? Will I get tax cuts? Possibly checks in the mail?

    But seriously, is this how we're gonna live? Every 8 or so yrs we can expect a cleaning of house (so to speak) and perhaps an impeachment? Partisan politics and a growing polarization is ruining whatever minute amount of legitimate representative democracy we have left not to mention the citizens of this nation getting what they deserve (affordable health care, basic necessities like clean water and livable conditions). So everyone on the blue side can wish-wash themselves to victory, while everyone on the red side can shake their heads by thinking the nation will be that much unsafer or in worse hands - but in all honesty, we're just continuing the same ways as we have in the past which lead us to problems and issues.

    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic - Benjamin Franklin

    Yes, the Dems won the election but they don't take control of Congress until January. Everyone is jumping the gun and they haven't even begun yet.
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