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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    By definition conservatives are close-minded and liberals are open-minded.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • okay, so I probably spelled his name wrong and today is the first time I actually listened to his radio program for longer than 10 min.---and I don't really get involved in all this schtick, but................

    something he said really pissed me off. Now, I belong to no political party, but he was going off about the Democrats and how their idea of this war on terror is so naive and stupid b/c is just involves holding hands and singing kumbiya (probably spelled that wrong as well). He went on to say that its almost like invasion of the body snatchers with the Dems b/c... HE thinks the Democrats just don't get IT----that we were attacked, yada yada, defending ourselves yada yada, kill or be killed yada yada, can't just sit around and wait for peace yada yada.

    Now, I get all that Hannity, but it seems to me that the Democrats are generally waaaay more understanding of well....everything. Well, if he's gonna generalize and all---Republicans tend to be more of the uptight conservatives who think its their way or no way and even go so far as to use the Bible as THEIR core belief system, while many of their lofty attitudes, incomes, and actions are so hypocritical of the Bible.---meaning that some of the hard-core Republicans I know claim to be so kind-hearted yet they look down on so many people--GOOD people who are just trying to better themselves----where is that in the Bible, Conservatives?

    I haven't been following what all the Democrats have planned for the war on terror. I plan to be more, especially with the election in 2008 coming up. I'm sure there is more to their stance besides peace talks and just avoiding war. All I know is that anything has to be better at this point than this meat-head war mentality that force and authority will make the terrorists listen. I hate to say it, but hard-core Republicans, like Hannity, that think all other countries need to bow down to the US are how we got in this mess in the first place.

    All I remember reading about all this political bullshit is that, even though many of the terrorists really are crazy nutjobs beyond rehabilition, somewhere along the line many Arabs really did have a good reason to be pissed at the US--concerning oil, wars, etc.---I really don't know what the history of it all is. Somebody please enlighten me on this subject. If the meat-head Republican politicians could just own up to some of these past mistakes, maybe things could move forward a little?--I don't know. just my 2 cents anyway.


    Hannity is a walking talking point. he doesnt get paid 5 million a year to tell the truth
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Ahnimus wrote:
    By definition conservatives are close-minded and liberals are open-minded.

    Perhaps that's a definition, but I do not believe it. I think one's view of open minded generally means the person agrees with you.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    Perhaps that's a definition, but I do not believe it. I think one's view of open minded generally means the person agrees with you.

    Well, that's not what it means...
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Part of the whole mess that divides this country. Associating people as Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, Left or Right, Red or Blue... all the while villifying the opposition as the enemy. They are not... Liberals aren't the enemy... neither are Conservatives... Terrorists are the fucking enemy. America is 'losing' because america is divided. NO country will ever 'Win' anything as long as they are divided. Blaming the other side for not coming onboard to your side of the debate... shithead.
    Imagine those powerhouse Championship Teams... like the Packers of the 60s... or the Steelers of the 70s or the 49ers or Cowboys. Do you think any of those teams would have been successful is the Offense and Defense hated each other and saw their own teammates as the opposing team? No. They would have been the Buccaneers in their first year and out of the playoffs by the 3rd week.
    America... don't buy into this crap. We're fucking Americans, dammit. Don't sell us off short because shitheads on the television and radio want higher ratings. If you do buy into this shit... you're the fucking second string punter on the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Part of the whole mess that divides this country. Associating people as Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, Left or Right, Red or Blue... all the while villifying the opposition as the enemy. They are not... Liberals aren't the enemy... neither are Conservatives... Terrorists are the fucking enemy. America is 'losing' because america is divided. NO country will ever 'Win' anything as long as they are divided. Blaming the other side for not coming onboard to your side of the debate... shithead.
    Imagine those powerhouse Championship Teams... like the Packers of the 60s... or the Steelers of the 70s or the 49ers or Cowboys. Do you think any of those teams would have been successful is the Offense and Defense hated each other and saw their own teammates as the opposing team? No. They would have been the Buccaneers in their first year and out of the playoffs by the 3rd week.
    America... don't buy into this crap. We're fucking Americans, dammit. Don't sell us off short because shitheads on the television and radio want higher ratings. If you do buy into this shit... you're the fucking second string punter on the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    amen brother. (i was a third string punter my first two years of college) i don't like fox news, though,...
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Part of the whole mess that divides this country. Associating people as Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, Left or Right, Red or Blue... all the while villifying the opposition as the enemy. They are not... Liberals aren't the enemy... neither are Conservatives... Terrorists are the fucking enemy. America is 'losing' because america is divided. NO country will ever 'Win' anything as long as they are divided. Blaming the other side for not coming onboard to your side of the debate... shithead.
    Imagine those powerhouse Championship Teams... like the Packers of the 60s... or the Steelers of the 70s or the 49ers or Cowboys. Do you think any of those teams would have been successful is the Offense and Defense hated each other and saw their own teammates as the opposing team? No. They would have been the Buccaneers in their first year and out of the playoffs by the 3rd week.
    America... don't buy into this crap. We're fucking Americans, dammit. Don't sell us off short because shitheads on the television and radio want higher ratings. If you do buy into this shit... you're the fucking second string punter on the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.


    Good thing you didn't mention Shaq and Kobe. What a weak rant.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, that's not what it means...

    OK - well then how are conservatives close minded while liberals are open minded? I think both sides are close minded to the other sides views.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Cosmo wrote:
    Part of the whole mess that divides this country. Associating people as Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, Left or Right, Red or Blue... all the while villifying the opposition as the enemy. They are not... Liberals aren't the enemy... neither are Conservatives... Terrorists are the fucking enemy. America is 'losing' because america is divided. NO country will ever 'Win' anything as long as they are divided. Blaming the other side for not coming onboard to your side of the debate... shithead.
    Imagine those powerhouse Championship Teams... like the Packers of the 60s... or the Steelers of the 70s or the 49ers or Cowboys. Do you think any of those teams would have been successful is the Offense and Defense hated each other and saw their own teammates as the opposing team? No. They would have been the Buccaneers in their first year and out of the playoffs by the 3rd week.
    America... don't buy into this crap. We're fucking Americans, dammit. Don't sell us off short because shitheads on the television and radio want higher ratings. If you do buy into this shit... you're the fucking second string punter on the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    I don't belive that terrorists are the enemy. We are our own enemy. This divide leaves us acting poorly and creating problems rather than solutions. If we worked smarter together - the terrorist problem would be well under control.

    We must live together as brothers
    or perish together as fools
    MLK

    MLK was amazing in leading African Americans to where they are today. He believed in peace and he believed in us. We have basically let him win and dismissed him. We learned nothing.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    know1 wrote:
    OK - well then how are conservatives close minded while liberals are open minded? I think both sides are close minded to the other sides views.

    i think what he means is that liberals are more likely to accept new ideas initially (which can be good or bad) where conservatives are more likely to resist change intially (which can be good or bad). It's a gross generalization of a label.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Ahnimus wrote:
    By definition conservatives are close-minded and liberals are open-minded.


    If it were only that simple....:D

    I generally think of myself as a conservative because I favor small government and local representations having more power with a protectorate national government. Essentially that makes me a monitary conservative, but for the most part I am extremely socially liberal and in favor of the least amount of restrictions on liberty as is prudent and safe.

    In regards to at least American politics I tend to believe at least politically that everyone is close minded especially given the voting results in elections and the failure of the American public to sway from the clutches of the two major parties both fearing assured destruction should the other one come to power. It's all rather silly really. No intelligent informed person can honestly believe a word that comes out of any politicians mouth anymore, if they ever could anyway.

    My hope is the younger generations who still are bright eyed and in love with change will start voting small parties and bring some real earnest competition into all of our political elections. Then, we might get some actual decent legislation passed, because someone will be watching the pork, and it won't be simply to stick it to the party that is currently 4 seats down in the congress or out of the presidency.

    The majority of our issues foreign and domestic are because of our politicians, not inspite of them.


    Most of the time merely the way the information is phrased to the public can sway the opinion of liberals or conservatives one way whether or not the idea is that far from thier beliefs. Our culture has changed to reactionary rather than listening first it's one major obstacle in our foreign policy.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    chopitdown wrote:
    i think what he means is that liberals are more likely to accept new ideas initially (which can be good or bad) where conservatives are more likely to resist change intially (which can be good or bad). It's a gross generalization of a label.

    Right - I know that's what he means. I'm saying that it's wrong. For example - if the "new idea" were to increase military spending, the liberals wouldn't accept it.

    Again, both sides are close minded to the other side's views.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    What bothers me the most about the current version of republicans is the arrogance and stubbornness that many seem to have, viewing EVERYTHING as a black/white good/bad choice. We have come to the realization that either party is going to screw us in most of the same ways, but at least it seems like democrats are more open to at least talk about and consider issues in a not so black and white view.

    I have refereed adult (beer league) hockey for years and I had this conversation with another ref after a game a while back. I'm probably one of the most laid back people that I know, and he is an aggressive, argumentative type of person. In the same game we each made a different borderline call. In his case, the player argued, and he argued back, it escalated, and everyone was pissed off for a while at him. In my case the player argued, I let him blow off steam for a few seconds and I skated away. A few minutes later at their bench, he was calmer and I told him what I saw, and he told me what he did, and we agreed to disagree about the call. In the end, it was the same result as my partner's situation (the player served the penalty), but his approach left a whole team pissed off, and mine left everyone at least feeling better about the situation that it was handled fairly.

    Our government seems to take the stubborn argumentative approach to everything, and it leaves our own citizens and a lot of the world pissed off.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    know1 wrote:
    Right - I know that's what he means. I'm saying that it's wrong. For example - if the "new idea" were to increase military spending, the liberals wouldn't accept it.

    Again, both sides are close minded to the other side's views.

    i agree on both parts of this...it's a piss poor generalization and I particularly agree with your last statement.
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