Clinton, Edwards, Obama, won't rule out Iraq presence before 2013
Purple Hawk
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Anyone here concerned about that?
I know calling conservatives hatemongers is so much more fun...but i find it interesting there's no outrage over their failure to call for an "end to this war"
I know calling conservatives hatemongers is so much more fun...but i find it interesting there's no outrage over their failure to call for an "end to this war"
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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I don't understand where this comes from. I thought the Dems were on the side of most Americans who want to end our occupation of Iraq.Feels Good Inc.0
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Bu2 wrote:I don't understand where this comes from. I thought the Dems were on the side of most Americans who want to end our occupation of Iraq.
The Dems and Reps don't know where most Americans are. Well they do, but they don't really care.
We as average people have much more in common than they'd have us believe, but division is where the power is. Keep them thinking one side hates america and wants the terrorists to win, keep the other side thinking they are a bunch of racists, sexists, homophobes and hatemongers...see how far that takes us...
i don't like any candidate running for either party...and i know i'm not the only one.And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days0 -
Purple Hawk wrote:i don't like any candidate running for either party...and i know i'm not the only one.
I agree completely. This election shows clearly that the average American citizen truly has no say in the presidential race. Sure, we get to choose which dipshit with money and influence we hate the least out of a group of dipshits, but that isnt real power. I sometimes wish i still had the beliefs about democracy i had when i was a wee lad in school.0 -
Sounds like a good reason to vote for Ron Paul."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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I think they want us out A.S.A.P., but understand George W. fucked Iraq and we are taking responsibility for paying the child support.. I'm pretty sure Obama wants troops coming home in '08, but understands WE are responsible for our fuck up until atleast 2012. As badly as I disagree with this war, we could only screw more people over if we did a complete withdrawel right now.
Lets be realistic, people. Dubya will be long gone, but he fucked us over until atleast 2013. We are responsible for that mess and will have to pay for it with many more lives. Sure we could save more American lives, but at the cost of a chaos that we are responsible for.. can you live with that?0 -
LikeAnOcean wrote:Sure we could save more American lives, but at the cost of a chaos that we are responsible for.. can you live with that?
Yes. Gladly. We need to get the fuck out today."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
LikeAnOcean wrote:I think they want us out A.S.A.P., but understand George W. fucked Iraq and we are taking responsibility for paying the child support.. I'm pretty sure Obama wants troops coming home in '08, but understands WE are responsible for our fuck up until atleast 2012. As badly as I disagree with this war, we could only screw more people over if we did a complete withdrawel right now.
Lets be realistic, people. Dubya will be long gone, but he fucked us over until atleast 2013. We are responsible for that mess and will have to pay for it with many more lives. Sure we could save more American lives, but at the cost of a chaos that we are responsible for.. can you live with that?
Why single out 2012 or 2013?
Iraq will be a screwed up land for a long l-o-n-g time ... 2012 is just a page in the calendar for them ...
... i do think you touch on something with the indication that most moderate thinking people understand that we have created a shithole over there, and such "moral" folk have a hard time just bailing on a mistake that means other peoples lives.
i'm torn between staying and leaving myself.
my head says we should stay, but my heart says we should pack it up.
leaving will work better for "them", whoeve they who come to power eventualy are.
unfortunately, for us, leaving will probably mean a much worse middle east for america... and a significant decline in oil flowing to america.
yay!
we're fucked either way.
woo hoo!
and i agree ... Ron Paul.
Though, i doubt that even he can truly save us now.
Seems the proud american ship is sinking, in my book.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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It comes from the candidates themselves ...Bu2 wrote:I don't understand where this comes from. I thought the Dems were on the side of most Americans who want to end our occupation of Iraq.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=259266"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630 -
hippiemom wrote:
I knew that's what they said this week, HM, I'm just wondering how Obama could suddenly say he agrees with keeping a large number of troops over there until 2013. I wonder where he got this new idea, and why he is suddenly pushing it.Feels Good Inc.0 -
jeffbr wrote:Sounds like a good reason to vote for Ron Paul.
the entire world being blown up by the most god-forsaken weapon, and there's only two people left on earth....one person who has no interest in politics, and the only other survivor is ron paul, and somehow he manages an election...that's the only reason to vote for ron paul...
probably the worst candidate in the history of presidential elections...but at least you people have your passion
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days0 -
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Purple Hawk wrote:probably the worst candidate in the history of presidential elections...but at least you people have your passion
The worst candidate in the history of presidential elections is just finishing his second term as President thanks to a nation of retards voting for one of their own.
At least Ron Paul is a man of principle - something sorely lacking in politics these days."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
jeffbr wrote:The worst candidate in the history of presidential elections is just finishing his second term as President thanks to a nation of retards voting for one of their own.
At least Ron Paul is a man of principle - something sorely lacking in politics these days.
The same could said about Dennis Kucinich.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
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Purple Hawk wrote:The Dems and Reps don't know where most Americans are. Well they do, but they don't really care.
We as average people have much more in common than they'd have us believe, but division is where the power is. Keep them thinking one side hates america and wants the terrorists to win, keep the other side thinking they are a bunch of racists, sexists, homophobes and hatemongers...see how far that takes us...
i don't like any candidate running for either party...and i know i'm not the only one.
Which is why I can't stand the pro-war or anti-war nobs.A restaurant with a smoking section is like a swimming pool with a pissing section0 -
Purple Hawk wrote:Anyone here concerned about that?
I know calling conservatives hatemongers is so much more fun...but i find it interesting there's no outrage over their failure to call for an "end to this war"
because its a scam...do not vote for these people! they have campaigned for millions upon millions of dollars while abandoning there current jobs to do this...if they cared so much about you and your country..the world...where you live..they would wait to run for president once their job in the senate is done...but they are career politicians that will make decisions that won't jeopardize their image...
this means
NO CHANGE. EVER. SAME LINEUP...UP AND DOWN...IN AND OUT....
and its a downward spiral.
look at toehr candidates...not jsut the ones they throw down your throat...and dont let anyone tell you...A VOTE IS WASTED..
no vote for anyone is wasted unless you know in your heart you are not voting fro the person you believe, but rather the person they have told you has the best shot..0 -
Purple Hawk wrote:[...]ron paul[...]
probably the worst candidate in the history of presidential elections...but at least you people have your passion
what is your beef with him exactly?
i'd like you to spell it out, and not get all shouty and witty.
just make some valid points and explain exactly how & why the man is such a bad choice.
the only position he has that i am remotely troubled by is his stance that abortion rights are not a federal power, but a state power ... and truthfuly, he is probably right about that ... it just sucks for girls in conservative states who got knocked up and regret it.
so what scares you?
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:what is your beef with him exactly?
i'd like you to spell it out, and not get all shouty and witty.
just make some valid points and explain exactly how & why the man is such a bad choice.
the only position he has that i am remotely troubled by is his stance that abortion rights are not a federal power, but a state power ... and truthfuly, he is probably right about that ... it just sucks for girls in conservative states who got knocked up and regret it.
so what scares you?
he's someone that makes conservative college students, who's prime objective in life is to be liked, and seek the approval of others that they see as intellectually superior, get weak in the knees over.
that's why he's funny. it's also why you're funny.
shouty, witty...whatever...that's reality.And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days0 -
Purple Hawk wrote:he's someone that makes conservative college students, who's prime objective in life is to be liked, and seek the approval of others that they see as intellectually superior, get weak in the knees over.
that's why he's funny. it's also why you're funny.
shouty, witty...whatever...that's reality.
so you dislike a candidate because he gives his supporters a sense of satisfaction?
I can't tell if you are a fool,
or just foolish in the way you express yourself.
take a deep breath and try to explain using concrete examples of Ron Paul's stated POLICY objectives \ platform or hell even his personal agenda ...
... but for godsake address the man not his followers.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?0
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