Clinton, Edwards, Obama, won't rule out Iraq presence before 2013
Purple Hawk
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Anyone here concerned about that?
I know calling conservatives hatemongers is so much more fun...but i find it interesting there's no outrage over their failure to call for an "end to this war"
I know calling conservatives hatemongers is so much more fun...but i find it interesting there's no outrage over their failure to call for an "end to this war"
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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The Dems and Reps don't know where most Americans are. Well they do, but they don't really care.
We as average people have much more in common than they'd have us believe, but division is where the power is. Keep them thinking one side hates america and wants the terrorists to win, keep the other side thinking they are a bunch of racists, sexists, homophobes and hatemongers...see how far that takes us...
i don't like any candidate running for either party...and i know i'm not the only one.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I agree completely. This election shows clearly that the average American citizen truly has no say in the presidential race. Sure, we get to choose which dipshit with money and influence we hate the least out of a group of dipshits, but that isnt real power. I sometimes wish i still had the beliefs about democracy i had when i was a wee lad in school.
Lets be realistic, people. Dubya will be long gone, but he fucked us over until atleast 2013. We are responsible for that mess and will have to pay for it with many more lives. Sure we could save more American lives, but at the cost of a chaos that we are responsible for.. can you live with that?
Yes. Gladly. We need to get the fuck out today.
Why single out 2012 or 2013?
Iraq will be a screwed up land for a long l-o-n-g time ... 2012 is just a page in the calendar for them ...
... i do think you touch on something with the indication that most moderate thinking people understand that we have created a shithole over there, and such "moral" folk have a hard time just bailing on a mistake that means other peoples lives.
i'm torn between staying and leaving myself.
my head says we should stay, but my heart says we should pack it up.
leaving will work better for "them", whoeve they who come to power eventualy are.
unfortunately, for us, leaving will probably mean a much worse middle east for america... and a significant decline in oil flowing to america.
yay!
we're fucked either way.
woo hoo!
and i agree ... Ron Paul.
Though, i doubt that even he can truly save us now.
Seems the proud american ship is sinking, in my book.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=259266
I knew that's what they said this week, HM, I'm just wondering how Obama could suddenly say he agrees with keeping a large number of troops over there until 2013. I wonder where he got this new idea, and why he is suddenly pushing it.
the entire world being blown up by the most god-forsaken weapon, and there's only two people left on earth....one person who has no interest in politics, and the only other survivor is ron paul, and somehow he manages an election...that's the only reason to vote for ron paul...
probably the worst candidate in the history of presidential elections...but at least you people have your passion
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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The worst candidate in the history of presidential elections is just finishing his second term as President thanks to a nation of retards voting for one of their own.
At least Ron Paul is a man of principle - something sorely lacking in politics these days.
The same could said about Dennis Kucinich.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Unless you are a lucky European...
Which is why I can't stand the pro-war or anti-war nobs.
you can have principles and still be wrong
because its a scam...do not vote for these people! they have campaigned for millions upon millions of dollars while abandoning there current jobs to do this...if they cared so much about you and your country..the world...where you live..they would wait to run for president once their job in the senate is done...but they are career politicians that will make decisions that won't jeopardize their image...
this means
NO CHANGE. EVER. SAME LINEUP...UP AND DOWN...IN AND OUT....
and its a downward spiral.
look at toehr candidates...not jsut the ones they throw down your throat...and dont let anyone tell you...A VOTE IS WASTED..
no vote for anyone is wasted unless you know in your heart you are not voting fro the person you believe, but rather the person they have told you has the best shot..
what is your beef with him exactly?
i'd like you to spell it out, and not get all shouty and witty.
just make some valid points and explain exactly how & why the man is such a bad choice.
the only position he has that i am remotely troubled by is his stance that abortion rights are not a federal power, but a state power ... and truthfuly, he is probably right about that ... it just sucks for girls in conservative states who got knocked up and regret it.
so what scares you?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
he's someone that makes conservative college students, who's prime objective in life is to be liked, and seek the approval of others that they see as intellectually superior, get weak in the knees over.
that's why he's funny. it's also why you're funny.
shouty, witty...whatever...that's reality.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
so you dislike a candidate because he gives his supporters a sense of satisfaction?
I can't tell if you are a fool,
or just foolish in the way you express yourself.
take a deep breath and try to explain using concrete examples of Ron Paul's stated POLICY objectives \ platform or hell even his personal agenda ...
... but for godsake address the man not his followers.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
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we didn't wipe him out the first go around because he agreed to do certain things...if he did, we had the right to attack again.
he never stopped.
after that, the UN passed 17 resolutions, which nobody acted on. we had UN support to attack again, etc. also, all the dems voted for it
it was the only place in the world where we were being fired on (our planes)
before we attacked, gave him one more chance.
sounds like we were more than fair before getting rid of the bastard
lets go back to the part where we told the UN weapons inspectors to get out of Baghdad, because we didn't care if they weren't finding wmds ...
... that was fair, how?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
the wmd thing was ONE SENTENCE out of the whole thing...bush also said it was info from the british...
soooooooo much more going on than the wmd..
saddam had a chance to come clean..he kept quiet.
i mean everyone else signed on..why is it bush's fault?
same info, everyone agreed. the libs now get to say "we would have never done it"
what a crock..they had a chance to vote on it, they supported it. now, THE FLOP...
Unless we stop the two-party machine, it will keep spinning and nothing will ever change.
it's still the best system in the world, but it could use some upgrades.
my opinion, is that the dems know we need to be over there...have know it...don't forget bro bill had an article of war drawn up against iraq during the monica thing, the dems were all on board then.....then, impeachment.
that's the thing, at least most all the rep. are sticking to their guns about it. EXCEPT when it might cost some votes, a little backtracking going on with some. all the dems that supported it, say "get out now"...unless they are running for pres, in which it's their 3rd flipflop..."we support it", say "get out now" then "well hell, we gotta stay"
never forget, it's the people in the army signed up...hell, that's what an army is...they fight wars...the biggest mistake bush made was not going over there with overwhelming force, flatten the place and be done with it.
this post i think is a direct link to why people that should be president..will never be.. we need to be more informed on subjects
i kinda wanna ask..where is this coming from...but i think it will do no good
Because that would have really liberated the Iraqies. Let's bring them democracy by fucking wiping them all out.
hell, saddam killed more of his own than we have even thought about
yeah! he killed a lot of people, so that gives us a pass to do the same!
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