Bipartisanship = lack of principled debate

Purple Hawk
Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
I really don't fault Dem leadership here...because they have their beliefs (although, it would have been nice if they RAN on them in the close races). But it's laughable that anyone who disagrees with Dems are dividers.

Personally, I like partisanship, because it means we are expressing our true beliefs...it would be refreshing to hear more partisanship during election time.


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010507/content/anchorman_2.guest.html

Bipartisan? Pelosi, Reid Demand No Iraq Troop Surge

January 5, 2007

RUSH: All right. Dingy Harry and the QBN, Queen Bee Nancy, have both signed a letter, joint letter that they -- this is being reported by PMSNBC, by the way, that queen bee Nancy Pelosi and Dingy Harry have sent a letter to President Bush demanding no troop surge in Iraq. Not requesting, not suggesting, demanding. No troop surge in Iraq. Now, this is an example -- can we go back to audio sound bite -- let's see, find this for me. What is it? Number six. A montage of Pelosi and her remarks yesterday, want you to listen to this, after hearing that she has joined Dingy Harry with a letter to President Bush demanding no troop surge in Iraq.

QUEEN BEE NANCY: I accept this gavel in the spirit of partnership, not partisanship. We may be different parties but we serve one country. In this Congress, we must work together.

RUSH: Yeah.

QUEEN BEE NANCY: -- to work together.

RUSH: Yeah.

QUEEN BEE NANCY: With the highest ethical standard and with civility and bipartisanship.

RUSH: Off to a great start.

QUEEN BEE NANCY: Openness requires respect for every voice and obligation to reach beyond partisanship. Let us stand together to move our country forward, seeking common ground for the common good.

RUSH: See, you gotta know how to define bipartisanship when the Democrats talk about it. Bipartisanship is the way feminists deal with men. You must change. Bipartisanship for the Democrat side is, you got to stop being who you are, you Republicans and conservatives. It's just that simple.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Seems to me referring to the Speaker as "Queen Bee Nancy" and the Senate Majority leader as "Dingy Harry" exemplifies a lack of principled debate.




    I personally would like to see the end of political parties.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Sometimes, bipartisanship will involve compromise esp when no ground is being made and things continue to go down hill. Other times though, it is still an option to voice your opposing view in an effort to persuade the otherside and gain support. Only hard headed, narrow minds never change their stances. If both parties didn't act like fools on silly sport teams where they have to be bitter rivals pitted against each other, bipartisanship could work. All you need are listening skills, an open mind, and understanding.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Bush declared himself a "Uniter, not a divider" and would work with both parties for the good of the nation. What did he really do? Pushed the democrats out of any dialogue or policy ideas his entire 6 years in office. It'sd laughable that he and the republicans are crying fowl over this. More laughable that posters on this board are doing the same.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I really don't fault Dem leadership here...because they have their beliefs (although, it would have been nice if they RAN on them in the close races). But it's laughable that anyone who disagrees with Dems are dividers.

    Personally, I like partisanship, because it means we are expressing our true beliefs...it would be refreshing to hear more partisanship during election time.


    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010507/content/anchorman_2.guest.html

    Bipartisan? Pelosi, Reid Demand No Iraq Troop Surge

    January 5, 2007

    RUSH: All right. Dingy Harry and the QBN, Queen Bee Nancy, have both signed a letter, joint letter that they -- this is being reported by PMSNBC, by the way, that queen bee Nancy Pelosi and Dingy Harry have sent a letter to President Bush demanding no troop surge in Iraq. Not requesting, not suggesting, demanding. No troop surge in Iraq. Now, this is an example -- can we go back to audio sound bite -- let's see, find this for me. What is it? Number six. A montage of Pelosi and her remarks yesterday, want you to listen to this, after hearing that she has joined Dingy Harry with a letter to President Bush demanding no troop surge in Iraq.

    QUEEN BEE NANCY: I accept this gavel in the spirit of partnership, not partisanship. We may be different parties but we serve one country. In this Congress, we must work together.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    QUEEN BEE NANCY: -- to work together.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    QUEEN BEE NANCY: With the highest ethical standard and with civility and bipartisanship.

    RUSH: Off to a great start.

    QUEEN BEE NANCY: Openness requires respect for every voice and obligation to reach beyond partisanship. Let us stand together to move our country forward, seeking common ground for the common good.

    RUSH: See, you gotta know how to define bipartisanship when the Democrats talk about it. Bipartisanship is the way feminists deal with men. You must change. Bipartisanship for the Democrat side is, you got to stop being who you are, you Republicans and conservatives. It's just that simple.


    rush??

    anyways, here's what the merriam webster defines partisanship as:

    1 : a firm adherent to a party , faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

    if you like that sorta thing....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Bush declared himself a "Uniter, not a divider" and would work with both parties for the good of the nation. What did he really do? Pushed the democrats out of any dialogue or policy ideas his entire 6 years in office. It'sd laughable that he and the republicans are crying fowl over this. More laughable that posters on this board are doing the same.


    aw come on, don't go makin them explain why they say one thing and do the exact opposite! accountability is not their forte'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    aw come on, don't go makin them explain why they say one thing and do the exact opposite! accountability is not their forte'

    I know, I know. Just in a pissy mood right now. I figured out that with the 6 years I had Bush as governor I've had that jerk as some sorta "leader" for 12 years now. Twelve...long....years.....
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    El_Kabong wrote:
    aw come on, don't go makin them explain why they say one thing and do the exact opposite! accountability is not their forte'


    the irony in you making a statement like this is so..............well.......actually, sickening.
    Why go home

    www.myspace.com/jensvad
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PaperPlates wrote:
    the irony in you making a statement like this is so..............well.......actually, sickening.


    feel free to explain
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    El_Kabong wrote:
    feel free to explain


    guess an explanation was too much to ask for :(
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Bi-patrisanship means reaching a compromise solution after debating your views and agreeing that your opponent has valid points... and your opponent does the same. You drop your hard line points in order to progress a solution through the political process.
    ...
    Partisanship means you hold your view and refuse to believe anyone who counters your points has any valid points. Therefore, no solution is reached.
    ...
    Bi-partisanship means that things are done... partisanship means grid-lock and nothing gets done.
    ...
    If you believe that partisan politics are good... then you believe that Congress does what it does best when faced with a problem... nothing.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    was that rush limbaugh speaking?

    or was it the oxycoten?

    why is he on the radio instead of in jail? doesnt he claim that drug addicts are weak and worthless and belong in jail instead of being coddled with rehab by wussy democrats?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    soulsinging wrote:
    was that rush limbaugh speaking?

    or was it the oxycoten?

    why is he on the radio instead of in jail? doesnt he claim that drug addicts are weak and worthless and belong in jail instead of being coddled with rehab by wussy democrats?

    Don't ask me to explain why, but about a month ago I was listening to rush and he was talking about his hearing loss.

    I shit you not, he blamed his hearing loss on a auto immune problem. Not once did he EVER mention how the ingestion of handfuls of oxycotin was the actual cause of his deafness. The man is a hypocrite wrapped in a jackass.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    rush??

    anyways, here's what the merriam webster defines partisanship as:

    1 : a firm adherent to a party , faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

    if you like that sorta thing....

    it was a slow news day, i figured rush would get things going :)

    merriam may define partisanship as a blind, unreasoning allegiance, but i view it as adhering to strong principles.

    you, me, commy, abook, a lot of the serious posters here, I disagree with you all on just about everything but i respect you all because you have firm beliefs, stick by them, and don't waver b/c it's the socially acceptable thing to do.

    i don't think being ideological, partisan, is a bad thing at all..what is a bad thing in my view is to be bi-partisan for the sake of being bipartisan, compromising your beliefs for the sake of being accepted.

    the people i talk to...bipartisanship is a way to make them feel better about themselves.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    Most people like partisanship because they don't have to think for themselves so much...they just have to pick left or right.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Saturnal wrote:
    Most people like partisanship because they don't have to think for themselves so much...they just have to pick left or right.

    i think most people oppose partisanship because they don't like to think for themselves...they can pick an choose what position is most popular, and then go from there.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Seems to me referring to the Speaker as "Queen Bee Nancy" and the Senate Majority leader as "Dingy Harry" exemplifies a lack of principled debate.




    I personally would like to see the end of political parties.


    rush's nicknames are pretty well thought out.

    queen bee nancy refers to her relationship with jane harmon. it's really petty...
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    nevermind, misread post
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    it was a slow news day, i figured rush would get things going :)

    merriam may define partisanship as a blind, unreasoning allegiance, but i view it as adhering to strong principles.

    you, me, commy, abook, a lot of the serious posters here, I disagree with you all on just about everything but i respect you all because you have firm beliefs, stick by them, and don't waver b/c it's the socially acceptable thing to do.

    i don't think being ideological, partisan, is a bad thing at all..what is a bad thing in my view is to be bi-partisan for the sake of being bipartisan, compromising your beliefs for the sake of being accepted.

    the people i talk to...bipartisanship is a way to make them feel better about themselves.

    People are free to hold certain idealogies, of course. But when it comes to policy making and working with constituents with others ideas you have to compromise or you'll gain no ground at all. Some progress is better than none. If we all had to bend to one idealogy we'd live in a dictatorship.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Seems to me referring to the Speaker as "Queen Bee Nancy" and the Senate Majority leader as "Dingy Harry" exemplifies a lack of principled debate.




    I personally would like to see the end of political parties.

    you know what you get with that? the people with the money RULING THE COUNTRY...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    you know what you get with that? the people with the money RULING THE COUNTRY...


    You mean like they do now, except they're still keep keeping the illusion alive. But I guess there is still room to get worse.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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