just curious

robbie

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea? the polls still say 30 percent of the country think things are going well in iraq, i cannot imagine who these people are, but 3 out of 10 people think it is still a-ok, and actually going well, so, if you are still out there, could you please go on the record and explain why almost 3,000 dead soldiers, (that died for NOTHING) 22,000 wounded soldiers (wounded for NOTHING), 55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN, and a VICTORY for world terrorism by showing the incomitance of the United States, is i good plan?

ledvedderman

Been against it since September 11th, 2001 when I had a gut feeling this was all going to come back to Iraq...

surferdude

robbie wrote:

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea?

20 years from now if your children or grandchildren point to Iraq where something has been achieved and something more trying to be achieved and not pointing to Africa where the devastation is purely through apathy then I think you have a problem with your children and grandchildren.

farfromglorified

20 years from now, no one will read much about the Iraq war.

FinsburyParkCarrots

I've been opposed to the war, from the beginning, but I have met people in the UK who, back in 2003, genuinely believed in effecting regime change in Iraq, on humanitarian grounds. Their views weren't based on believing the so-called Dodgy Dossier, either. However, they've come to see the war as a total disaster. I've yet to meet anyone in the UK who still believes in "Staying the course."

FinsburyParkCarrots

farfromglorified wrote:

20 years from now, no one will read much about the Iraq war.

I'm interested to know why you say this.

surferdude

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I'm interested to know why you say this.

Because the American caualty number is so low and there was no draft. Has not caused to social upheaval that Vietnam did. Most people manage to completely overlook the Korean war for the same reasons.

farfromglorified

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I'm interested to know why you say this.

Because it's a relatively minor conflict, historically speaking. And the reprecussions from it (both positive and negative) are likely to be fairly negligible.

I'm not saying the Iraq war will be forgotten -- it won't (though the lessons from it certainly may be).

NCfan

robbie wrote:

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea? the polls still say 30 percent of the country think things are going well in iraq, i cannot imagine who these people are, but 3 out of 10 people think it is still a-ok, and actually going well, so, if you are still out there, could you please go on the record and explain why almost 3,000 dead soldiers, (that died for NOTHING) 22,000 wounded soldiers (wounded for NOTHING), 55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN, and a VICTORY for world terrorism by showing the incomitance of the United States, is i good plan?

I still support the war. It has been miss-managed, and that is why it has turned into the disaster that it has become. But I still support our efforts.
The policy was right. The administration just wasn't capable of implementing it.

robbie

farfromglorified wrote:

20 years from now, no one will read much about the Iraq war.

shit, if it was up to the current government our grandchildren will still be DYING in iraq 20 years from now. and regardless of when we leave, i'm pretty sure that the war the United States of America LOST TO TERRORISTS will be read about for a LOOOONG time. if democracy was going to be a beacon to the rest of the middle east, what do you think our complete and utter FAILURE will serve as? thanks to W, and the way he has framed the argument, anything less than a thriving democracy is a WIN for terrorism...... we HAVE TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NIGHTMARE, or we will still be murdering and dying for NOTHING, but if we leave, W, has made sure that there is no other way to view it as a WIN for terrorism. how can you believe that the "defining moment of our generation" will not be remembered 20 years from now.......? this has weakened the United States in ways we will not realise for many years to come, but what it does for sure is embolden any enemy of the U.S. by PROVING we are incompetent, and unable to win an insurgent war. why would anyone fight us with an army when they know they can beat us and embarrass us without one? terrorism is the only way to defeat the united states, george w. bush has PROVEN this, and if you think that will be forgotten within 20 years, you are delusional.

jlew24asu

robbie wrote:

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea? the polls still say 30 percent of the country think things are going well in iraq, i cannot imagine who these people are, but 3 out of 10 people think it is still a-ok, and actually going well, so, if you are still out there, could you please go on the record and explain why almost 3,000 dead soldiers, (that died for NOTHING) 22,000 wounded soldiers (wounded for NOTHING), 55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN, and a VICTORY for world terrorism by showing the incomitance of the United States, is i good plan?

this war was supposed to be about removing a brutal dictator who killed tens of thousands of people if not more. who had already invaded a neighboring country and wanted to dominate the middle east. and to take away a precieved threat of WMDs so they didnt get into the hands of el queda. which he did have at one point (he used them against women and children)and continually violated weapons inspections and several UN resolutions.

once america got there and took down the government, oops no WMDs were found. ok now what? lets stay and fight the El Queda terrorists, the same organization who attacked us on 9/11.

killed their leader, severly damaged that organization to the point they are gone. ok now what?

we stayed to try and help Iraqis from killing each other and provide money, training, and logistics to a newly democraticly elected governement.

ever talk to a solider who spent a few years there? I have. one even posted on this board. many sunni and shiites live in complete peace. many good things happen in Iraq. all you hear about is the negative things happening in the meida. why? it brings ratings. media is only concerned about high ratings.


freedom has a chance. rome wasnt built in a day and neither will a country who knows nothing but oppression.

is this war a good idea? not sure. history will answer that. not cnn or msnbc.

robbie

jlew24asu wrote:

this war was supposed to be about removing a brutal dictator who killed tens of thousands of people if not more. who had already invaded a neighboring country and wanted to dominate the middle east. and to take away a precieved threat of WMDs so they didnt get into the hands of el queda. which he did have at one point (he used them against women and children)and continually violated weapons inspections and several UN resolutions.

once america got there and took down the government, oops no WMDs were found. ok now what? lets stay and fight the El Queda terrorists, the same organization who attacked us on 9/11.

killed their leader, severly damaged that organization to the point they are gone. ok now what?

we stayed to try and help Iraqis from killing each other and provide money, training, and logistics to a newly democraticly elected governement.

ever talk to a solider who spent a few years there? I have. one even posted on this board. many sunni and shiites live in complete peace. many good things happen in Iraq. all you hear about is the negative things happening in the meida. why? it brings ratings. media is only concerned about high ratings.


freedom has a chance. rome wasnt built in a day and neither will a country who knows nothing but oppression.

is this war a good idea? not sure. history will answer that. not cnn or msnbc.

you think that little terrorist orginization that attacked us on 9/11 is gone?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

FinsburyParkCarrots

I accept some of your points, surferdude and farfromglorified: The American casualty number is considerably less than Vietnam, and yes, there was no draft in this Iraq conflict, so the war didn't become such a flashpoint situation for American civilians at home. However, are you really sure the effect of this conflict will be so negligible? Robbie did point out

55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN

And so, it's worthwhile saying that re-enforced national security in the States, ostensibly to combat the fall out of what's happened in Iraq, is going to have a big effect on the way Americans live their lives. In twenty years time, some people might ask rhetorically, "Was Iraq the war for we gave up our own freedoms, to liberate?"

macgyver06

robbie wrote:

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea? the polls still say 30 percent of the country think things are going well in iraq, i cannot imagine who these people are, but 3 out of 10 people think it is still a-ok, and actually going well, so, if you are still out there, could you please go on the record and explain why almost 3,000 dead soldiers, (that died for NOTHING) 22,000 wounded soldiers (wounded for NOTHING), 55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN, and a VICTORY for world terrorism by showing the incomitance of the United States, is i good plan?

a dictatorship? where?

jlew24asu

robbie wrote:

shit, if it was up to the current government our grandchildren will still be DYING in iraq 20 years from now. and regardless of when we leave, i'm pretty sure that the war the United States of America LOST TO TERRORISTS will be read about for a LOOOONG time. .

USA did not loose any war with terrorists. el queda in iraq has not been an issue since we took out their leader.

this is about sunnis vs shittes.

surferdude

robbie wrote:

if you think that will be forgotten within 20 years, you are delusional.

If this is your attitude why bother asking the question. WHy not just people from the get go if you don't agree with me you are delusional. It would save people from having to post answers to your questions when you feel their is only one answer.

macgyver06

i think some here really can't grasp the idea of.. once dead...you are never coming back. EVER... bush will live into his 90's

hailhailkc

robbie wrote:

how many of you still support the iraq war? I mean, I know 20 years from now when your children or grandchildren read about this debacle and ask you how we allowed it to happen, you are going to lie and say you were opposed to it from the beginning, but as of now, how many of you still think this was a terrific idea? the polls still say 30 percent of the country think things are going well in iraq, i cannot imagine who these people are, but 3 out of 10 people think it is still a-ok, and actually going well, so, if you are still out there, could you please go on the record and explain why almost 3,000 dead soldiers, (that died for NOTHING) 22,000 wounded soldiers (wounded for NOTHING), 55,000 dead civilians, a dictatorship turned into a haven for terrorism, a civil war, a hugely empowered IRAN, and a VICTORY for world terrorism by showing the incomitance of the United States, is i good plan?

Since you know so much...like the fact that I'm supposedly going to be lying to my children and grandchildren 20 years from now by stating that I never supported the war...then maybe you should look into your crystal ball again and figure out for yourself why I still support the Iraq war.

You seem pretty good at making assumptions, so it seems logical for me to think that you also have an assumption as to why I still support the Iraq war.

That being the case, I can only conclude that this thread was started in order to bait the "current war supporters" into a "debate"...or more to the point...a game of ridicule and put downs.

jlew24asu

robbie wrote:

you think that little terrorist orginization that attacked us on 9/11 is gone?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

of course not. they may never be completely gone. but are they gone from Iraq? are they severly crippled? do they have a central base of operations? have they attacked the US since 9/11?

not sure where I said they are gone or how that is revelant.

hailhailkc

surferdude wrote:

If this is your attitude why bother asking the question. WHy not just people from the get go if you don't agree with me you are delusional. It would save people from having to post answers to your questions when you feel their is only one answer.

EXACTLY.

macgyver06

oh.. and maybe it isn't Saddam who should be hanged in this age of violence.

my only hope is that something does in fact come to the american soil, so us patriots will rise again and protect these neo cowards.