PJ crew, check this out

Eva7Eva7 Posts: 226
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
... you may have heard of this...an investigation by the Financial Times on carbon-offset....


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/48e334ce-f355-11db-9845-000b5df10621.html

Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’
By Fiona Harvey and Stephen Fidler in London

Published: April 25 2007

Companies and individuals rushing to go green have been spending millions on “carbon credit” projects that yield few if any environmental benefits.

A Financial Times investigation has uncovered widespread failings in the new markets for greenhouse gases, suggesting some organisations are paying for emissions reductions that do not take place.

Others are meanwhile making big profits from carbon trading for very small expenditure and in some cases for clean-ups that they would have made anyway.

The growing political salience of environmental politics has sparked a “green gold rush”, which has seen a dramatic expansion in the number of businesses offering both companies and individuals the chance to go “carbon neutral”, offsetting their own energy use by buying carbon credits that cancel out their contribution to global warming.

The burgeoning regulated market for carbon credits is expected to more than double in size to about $68.2bn by 2010, with the unregulated voluntary sector rising to $4bn in the same period.

The FT investigation found:

■ Widespread instances of people and organisations buying worthless credits that do not yield any reductions in carbon emissions.

■ Industrial companies profiting from doing very little – or from gaining carbon credits on the basis of efficiency gains from which they have already benefited substantially.

■ Brokers providing services of questionable or no value.

■ A shortage of verification, making it difficult for buyers to assess the true value of carbon credits.

■ Companies and individuals being charged over the odds for the private purchase of European Union carbon permits that have plummeted in value because they do not result in emissions cuts.

Francis Sullivan, environment adviser at HSBC, the UK’s biggest bank that went carbon-neutral in 2005, said he found “serious credibility concerns” in the offsetting market after evaluating it for several months.

“The police, the fraud squad and trading standards need to be looking into this. Otherwise people will lose faith in it,” he said.

These concerns led the bank to ignore the market and fund its own carbon reduction projects directly.

Some companies are benefiting by asking “green” consumers to pay them for cleaning up their own pollution. For instance, DuPont, the chemicals company, invites consumers to pay $4 to eliminate a tonne of carbon dioxide from its plant in Kentucky that produces a potent greenhouse gas called HFC-23. But the equipment required to reduce such gases is relatively cheap. DuPont refused to comment and declined to specify its earnings from the project, saying it was at too early a stage to discuss.

The FT has also found examples of companies setting up as carbon offsetters without appearing to have a clear idea of how the markets operate. In response to FT inquiries about its sourcing of carbon credits, one company, carbonvoucher.com, said it had not taken payments for offsets.

Blue Source, a US offsetting company, invites consumers to offset carbon emissions by investing in enhanced oil recovery, which pumps carbon dioxide into depleted oil wells to bring up the remaining oil. However, Blue Source said that because of the high price of oil, this process was often profitable in itself, meaning operators were making extra revenues from selling “carbon credits” for burying the carbon.

There is nothing illegal in these practices. However, some companies that are offsetting their emissions have avoided such projects because customers may find them controversial.

BP said it would not buy credits resulting from improvements in industrial efficiency or from most renewable energy projects in developed countries.


Also interesting on the same issue:

UN official: private carbon offset plans are being confused with U.N.-sponsored program
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/02/europe/EU-GEN-Germany-Climate-Credits.php

UK to tackle bogus carbon schemes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6273061.stm
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I don't see how a system built on the premise of me paying a guy in China to not buy a car so I can continue to drive my gas guzzler helps. The guy in China was never going to buy a car to start with, I now feel better about driving my car, though it's still a gas guzzler, and I'll probably drive it more now.

    It's the buying of indulgences at the corporate level. It won't help emissions in any material way. When the environmental movement is pulling out ideaology that even the Catholic church has denounced as corrupt you know there's a problem.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Eva7Eva7 Posts: 226
    I personally have always thought that this carbon-offset thing was a joke.... the only way to solve this problem is to change our life-style, no other bullshits. This investigation proves that behind this carbon-offset project there is just a huge money flow, and corporations profit on it.

    There is also the other article about the UN carbon-offset program, and that is good to know for those who are interested in it.... but I still think these UN programs are often a "good cake to split" for most powerful organizations involved, though........

    I respect the band's choice because I know they honestly believe in it, but I just suggest to watch out.......
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Eva7 wrote:
    I respect the band's choice because I know they honestly believe in it, but I just suggest to watch out.......
    I think it is mostly a feel good exercise for those not truly wanting to change their lifestyle. I have much more appreciation and respect for the bands efforts at conservation.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i say programs that buy potentially deforested land and preserves it is good ... also ones that invest that money into renewables ... for sure there is gonna be fraud and issues - but if you research properly, it can do good ...

    but in the end - conservation programs are key ... still over-consuming and buying offsets isn't gonna work in the long run ...
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Paying for value in the absence of value is a death-sentence.
  • Eva7Eva7 Posts: 226
    polaris wrote:
    i say programs that buy potentially deforested land and preserves it is good ... also ones that invest that money into renewables ... for sure there is gonna be fraud and issues - but if you research properly, it can do good ...

    but in the end - conservation programs are key ... still over-consuming and buying offsets isn't gonna work in the long run ...

    so you really believe that there is some good out there.... good for you.
    If there was the will to really reduce emissions and to really stop the destruction of the rainforests, you would hear about very different actions... it is a joke, in the meantime the rainforests in south america and asia are being destroied with unbelievable speed, and people keep buying wood furnitures coming from that slaughter.... sorry, I am not going to lose my time in that research, I already know how it all works.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Eva7 wrote:
    so you really believe that there is some good out there.... good for you.
    If there was the will to really reduce emissions and to really stop the destruction of the rainforests, you would hear about very different actions... it is a joke, in the meantime the rainforests in south america and asia are being destroied with unbelievable speed, and people keep buying wood furnitures coming from that slaughter.... sorry, I am not going to lose my time in that research, I already know how it all works.

    there is clearly NOT the will ... that is why we are where we are at ... much like it is with other problems - it is left to the few to try and fix for the whole ...

    i buy these offsets - but that is in conjunction with everything else that i do ... but i also researched where i was putting my money and how these programs work ...
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