please be kind-haven't been here in forever

jlfinhiding
jlfinhiding Posts: 80
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
i know that eddie would be very disappointed in this thread, but after the last 2 elections, i really NEED some good valid reasons to vote this year....like many, i have lost all my faith in politics, and specifically the voting process....seeing how bush pretty much cheated to win the last 2 elections...meaning, not ALL THE VOTES WERE COUNTED WHEN HE WAS DECLARED PRESIDENT, and to me, that's cheating and told me that whoever has the most money wins. so therefore, i need some convincing that MY measly ONE vote would count, i'm poor like many americans, and the majority of the votes NOT COUNTED in the previous elections were the poor and minorities....
SO PLEASE BE KIND AND CONVINCE ME....cuz my vote didn't mean shit the last 2 times i did.
thanks....Jenn
"If you love somebody...tell them. Tell them today, tell them tomorrow, tell them every day in case it's the last time you ever get to speak to them."--EV, Summerfest 6/29/06

"I don't want to tell what the song is about because a lot of these lyrics have been open to interpretation and people have taken them on... they've become part owners..." -EV
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlfinhiding wrote:
    i know that eddie would be very disappointed in this thread, but after the last 2 elections, i really NEED some good valid reasons to vote this year....like many, i have lost all my faith in politics, and specifically the voting process....seeing how bush pretty much cheated to win the last 2 elections...meaning, not ALL THE VOTES WERE COUNTED WHEN HE WAS DECLARED PRESIDENT, and to me, that's cheating and told me that whoever has the most money wins. so therefore, i need some convincing that MY measly ONE vote would count, i'm poor like many americans, and the majority of the votes NOT COUNTED in the previous elections were the poor and minorities....
    SO PLEASE BE KIND AND CONVINCE ME....cuz my vote didn't mean shit the last 2 times i did.
    thanks....Jenn


    I say your vote only truly counts if it actually represents who you are and what you think is right/what you want to see in the person you are voting for. That's how you have a voice in this democracy....you make your vote echo how you think things should truly be.


    If you vote for someone you have to call 'less evil' is your true voice even represented by your vote? Not unless you stand for being less evil....and I know those aren't the words that I want describing me and what I want to see in the world. I want to vote for someone I'm proud to stand behind and vote for.

    "Be the change you wish to see in the world." ~ Gandhi
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    JennsInHiding?

    I say, vote for who you like.
    Who you REALLY like.

    America MUST move past, "the lesser of the two most 'electable' candidates" ...

    vote for whomever speaks to you.
    if they aren't on the ballot, WRITE THEM IN.

    Your vote ALWAYS matters.

    If there is corruption in the system,
    we as citizens, must CHECK that corruption.

    We must let the system know that we will not be defeated.
    We will not be jaded, and we will not fall to apathy, and we will not let the system run wild and unchecked.

    Your vote is your way of telling the man, I'M STILL HERE!

    Then, it is your responsibility to get to it and join with others to enforce the integrity of the system.

    Go check out blackboxvoting.org and other sites.

    Dig up some old links to Bev Harris and see all of the crazy shit she went through to try and guarantee an honest election in New Hampshire and beyond during the primaries.

    DO NOT LET THEM DEFEAT YOUR WILL!

    :D:D:D

    PS - Abookamongstthemany knows her shit.
    LISTEN
    :D
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jlfinhiding
    jlfinhiding Posts: 80
    thanks, this is what i NEEDED to hear, becuz i did vote for nader and felt AWFUL that i felt that those votes helped bush win, ya know?
    thanks, i'll definately look more into your suggestions. :)
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    YOU ALL RAWK!!
    "If you love somebody...tell them. Tell them today, tell them tomorrow, tell them every day in case it's the last time you ever get to speak to them."--EV, Summerfest 6/29/06

    "I don't want to tell what the song is about because a lot of these lyrics have been open to interpretation and people have taken them on... they've become part owners..." -EV
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    you should have a beer with Abuskedti :D

    ultimately i'm pretty against the whole mess too Vote for who you want. It's NEVER your fault someone else won if you voted for a canidate you believed in. To borrow from baseball... all you can do is hit it hard.

    If you want to vote your vote is only wasted if you don't vote with your heart and mind.

    Hell, pat yourself on the back for taking a second to find out what's going on. That's light years more than most voters.

    when they ask paper or plastic you can say.... no thanks.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    jlfinhiding wrote:
    thanks, this is what i NEEDED to hear, becuz i did vote for nader and felt AWFUL that i felt that those votes helped bush win, ya know?
    thanks, i'll definately look more into your suggestions. :)
    I LOVE PEARL JAM FANS!!
    YOU ALL RAWK!!
    So what's the deal with Favre anyway??
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Vote for me!!!! I need to move up to the ruling class.


    i will be a benevolent and wise leader, harsh but fair to my followers, and vengeful to those that disobey me.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    PS - Abookamongstthemany knows her shit.
    LISTEN
    :D

    Aww

    :D

    As does Drifting... actually, he knows more stuff than I'm brave enough to delve into sometimes.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    jlfinhiding wrote:
    i know that eddie would be very disappointed in this thread,

    ....cuz my vote didn't mean shit the last 2 times i did.
    thanks....Jenn


    Well that first line made me laugh, sorry.

    Otherwise your vote always means something. Vote for who represents how you feel, not for who is the cool thing at the moment. Remember you are the one that has to see yourself in the mirror each morning.

    If you think your vote doesn't mean anything well I'm sure the people of Iraq and Afghanistan [insert any oppressed nation] would disagree.
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    MrSmith wrote:
    Vote for me!!!! I need to move up to the ruling class.


    i will be a benevolent and wise leader, harsh but fair to my followers, and vengeful to those that disobey me.
    :rolleyes: mugabe, your election is over... time to let another country get some of the attention now :p

    To the OP. It's a tough call and one I've had to consider meself a couple of times. But basically you have to do whatever you think is the right thing to do. That's the fun thing about voting :) and the strange thing is it rarely seems to work out for working/lower class people
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Your vote's as meaningful as you make it. You can either

    1) Sit out the election and let other people decide for you
    2) Vote for who the media tells you is the most electable candidate so you can feel you were listened to
    3) Or you can vote for who you really feel is the best candidate, whoever that may be, and know that no matter how the results go, you supported your idea of a good president, which is all you can do.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    vote. but dont expect anything good to come out of it.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i think the last 8 years offer a strong example of the importance of voting and participating in democracy
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Your vote's as meaningful as you make it. You can either

    1) Sit out the election and let other people decide for you
    2) Vote for who the media tells you is the most electable candidate so you can feel you were listened to
    3) Or you can vote for who you really feel is the best candidate, whoever that may be, and know that no matter how the results go, you supported your idea of a good president, which is all you can do.


    right... and the media was telling me since 2006 to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008... as of 6 months ago she had a seemingly unbeatable lead in every poll against all democratic candidates...

    so what did i do, i did #3 on your list and will do it again in november
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:

    so what did i do, i did #3 on your list and will do it again in november
    I 100% support people voting for who they think is the best option.

    I personally can no longer support systems I don't believe in. I know I need to move beyond such systems in order to perceive new ways in my life/world.

    And yet, I fully respect that others feel differently.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    right... and the media was telling me since 2006 to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008... as of 6 months ago she had a seemingly unbeatable lead in every poll against all democratic candidates...

    so what did i do, i did #3 on your list and will do it again in november



    are you sure that was #3?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=4488696#post4488696

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4487956&postcount=24

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4488000&postcount=28
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    are you sure that was #3?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=4488696#post4488696
    Very impressive work! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    PS - Abookamongstthemany knows her shit.
    I totally agree....Abook is a brilliant Light on this board.

    I am honoured to be her friend, and to have been so influenced by her since I first saw her posts.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    are you sure that was #3?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=4488696#post4488696

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4487956&postcount=24

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4488000&postcount=28
    My fave one remains where he calls all the others besides Kucinich corporate whores! :D
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    As does Drifting... actually, he knows more stuff than I'm brave enough to delve into sometimes.
    I agree!! Roland too...which is why I pay attention to what these guys see and think.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • jeffwmartin
    jeffwmartin Posts: 71
    Not voting is just as valid as voting, as long as you are doing it out of principle. Not voting cause you're lazy just means you're lazy. Sometimes I don't vote at all, sometimes I don't vote in one particular race but do in the others. I no longer vote for the "lesser of two evils" because I can't consent to be governed by them any longer.

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