It doesn't make anyones life better immediately. But we have to remember that this guy was evil. He had people killed for thinking differently and everyone has seen the pictures of the people he bombed with chemical weapons. I don't know if executing him is the answer, but we shouldn't talk about him as if he is a good guy getting a bad deal or compare him to our leaders. I know the Bush haters will compare Bush to Saddam but if you had been in Iraq ten years ago and posted stuff about hating Saddam, you would be dead. This comparison is just a little overboard.
Anyway, all we have to do is look at the thousands of people who volunteered in Iraq to be the person who pulls the lever to hang Saddam. He was an evil person and killed thousands of people for thinking differently.
Even I can see I am setting up a response that says "well that is what Bush is doing now by killing people in Iraq for thinking differently, isn't it". I don't know the answer to that one.
I don't think he's a good guy, but I think he is a product of his environment. He grew up on the mean streets of backwater Iraq while dealing with an abusive step-father. He learned to survive by being ruthless and cunning. He essentially learned the law of the land, so to speak. His way of gaining and maintaining power was nothing new to those lands. He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.
So, in effect, he is not being executed for being evil. He's being executed for having ambitions and determination. By voting for his execution, Iraqis are essentially wiping their hands clean of the role they played in his creation. What they need to do instead is acknowledge that regardless of whatever evils he may have committed, he is still a son of Iraq, and as his father, Iraq needs to take responsibility for the way he turned out.
And if you ask me, the only reason why Bush hasn't gassed any Americans or tortured or executed americans is because he doesn't have the power to do those things. He's held back by a system of checks and balances that ensure no one evil leader can truly realize his dream of absolute power.
I think if Bush had the power to do so, he would declare all liberals a threat to national security and have them all rounded up. I think such a desire to oppress the opposition is in the heart of every politician. The rules have changed, but the people have not. So, by keeping Saddam alive, the world will be reminded that the only difference between a dictator and an elected official is the process, not the persona.
I don't think he's a good guy, but I think he is a product of his environment. He grew up on the mean streets of backwater Iraq while dealing with an abusive step-father. He learned to survive by being ruthless and cunning. He essentially learned the law of the land, so to speak. His way of gaining and maintaining power was nothing new to those lands. He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.
So, in effect, he is not being executed for being evil. He's being executed for having ambitions and determination. By voting for his execution, Iraqis are essentially wiping their hands clean of the role they played in his creation. What they need to do instead is acknowledge that regardless of whatever evils he may have committed, he is still a son of Iraq, and as his father, Iraq needs to take responsibility for the way he turned out.
And if you ask me, the only reason why Bush hasn't gassed any Americans or tortured or executed americans is because he doesn't have the power to do those things. He's held back by a system of checks and balances that ensure no one evil leader can truly realize his dream of absolute power.
I think if Bush had the power to do so, he would declare all liberals a threat to national security and have them all rounded up. I think such a desire to oppress the opposition is in the heart of every politician. The rules have changed, but the people have not. So, by keeping Saddam alive, the world will be reminded that the only difference between a dictator and an elected official is the process, not the persona.
Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.
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Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.
Ya know, I heard those weapons we sold him made up less than one percent of his total arsenal.
Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.
Iraqis voted for his execution, not americans. I'm talking about Iraqis owning up to the fact that Saddam is a reflection of their way of life -that he is not some enigmatic blemish on their proud history. They need to say, "Look, Iraq is a fucked up place to live in. It's no wonder why he have people like Saddam in control." Instead they want to play the victims. And victims will always be victims regardless of who they blame and execute.
Ya know, I heard those weapons we sold him made up less than one percent of his total arsenal.
Still, it gives the impression they were ok to use.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Iraqis voted for his execution, not americans. I'm talking about Iraqis owning up to the fact that Saddam is a reflection of their way of life -that he is not some enigmatic blemish on their proud history. They need to say, "Look, Iraq is a fucked up place to live in. It's no wonder why he have people like Saddam in control." Instead they want to play the victims. And victims will always be victims regardless of who they blame and execute.
I'm not denying that, I'm just adding that there were other determinents in Saddam's behavior.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not denying that, I'm just adding that there were other determinents in Saddam's behavior.
Yeah, but America's role was not what my post was about, so I didn't "forget" anything. If Saddam was being executed because Bush voted for it, then we'd be talking about America's role.
Iraqis voted for his execution, not americans. I'm talking about Iraqis owning up to the fact that Saddam is a reflection of their way of life -that he is not some enigmatic blemish on their proud history. They need to say, "Look, Iraq is a fucked up place to live in. It's no wonder why he have people like Saddam in control." Instead they want to play the victims. And victims will always be victims regardless of who they blame and execute.
That's quite a perspective, and it's true. I hadn't heard it said that way before.
It is amazing what prime geo-political real estate and hosting a major U.S. military facility will get you these days.....at least the Turks have historically balanced their genocidal efforts between Christians (Armenians) and Muslims (Kurds).
The US is like the last country to not recognize the Armenian genocide, it's terrible, especially as an Armenian like myself, System of a Down has been huge advocates trying to influence legislation but to no avail. But also as a veteran, I understand the importance of strategic airbases throughout the world. What can I say, I'm conflicted.
The US is like the last country to not recognize the Armenian genocide, it's terrible, especially as an Armenian like myself, System of a Down has been huge advocates trying to influence legislation but to no avail. But also as a veteran, I understand the importance of strategic airbases throughout the world. What can I say, I'm conflicted.
It's real simple. The value of an Armenian life is less than nothing to American leadership. When a nation has nothing that America wants, that nation and its people get swept under the rug. It's frightening. :(
Now, let there be oil discovered in Armenia...or even Darfour for that matter.
Nothing says the 'Spirit Of Christmas' and the Celebration of the Birth of Our Saviour like a good old fashioned lynching, right?
I'm not shedding a tear for Saddam Hussein... but, it just seems sort of sick to me that people of a so-called 'Christian Nation' revel in the barbaric execution so close to the holiest season of the year.
Now... I'm not a Christian... but, I love and try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and personally, do not find any glee in death at a time when I am honoring Jesus and His life. It just seems to me... well, I would think that Jesus wouldn't be too cool with it. Fer Christ's sake... the decorations are still up.
I would imagine it would be different if it were done closer to Groundhog Day or something. Somehow... to me... Christmas celebrations and Capital Punishment just ain't a good mix. I guess it's because Christmas reminds me more of Love Thy Enemy than Groundhog Day.
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I don't think he's a good guy, but I think he is a product of his environment. He grew up on the mean streets of backwater Iraq while dealing with an abusive step-father. He learned to survive by being ruthless and cunning. He essentially learned the law of the land, so to speak. His way of gaining and maintaining power was nothing new to those lands. He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.
So, in effect, he is not being executed for being evil. He's being executed for having ambitions and determination. By voting for his execution, Iraqis are essentially wiping their hands clean of the role they played in his creation. What they need to do instead is acknowledge that regardless of whatever evils he may have committed, he is still a son of Iraq, and as his father, Iraq needs to take responsibility for the way he turned out.
And if you ask me, the only reason why Bush hasn't gassed any Americans or tortured or executed americans is because he doesn't have the power to do those things. He's held back by a system of checks and balances that ensure no one evil leader can truly realize his dream of absolute power.
I think if Bush had the power to do so, he would declare all liberals a threat to national security and have them all rounded up. I think such a desire to oppress the opposition is in the heart of every politician. The rules have changed, but the people have not. So, by keeping Saddam alive, the world will be reminded that the only difference between a dictator and an elected official is the process, not the persona.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Pretty good post there.
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Ya know, I heard those weapons we sold him made up less than one percent of his total arsenal.
With the patriot act you can also get locked up for a long time, no lawyer and such, it happens.
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Iraqis voted for his execution, not americans. I'm talking about Iraqis owning up to the fact that Saddam is a reflection of their way of life -that he is not some enigmatic blemish on their proud history. They need to say, "Look, Iraq is a fucked up place to live in. It's no wonder why he have people like Saddam in control." Instead they want to play the victims. And victims will always be victims regardless of who they blame and execute.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Still, it gives the impression they were ok to use.
I'm not denying that, I'm just adding that there were other determinents in Saddam's behavior.
Yeah, but America's role was not what my post was about, so I didn't "forget" anything. If Saddam was being executed because Bush voted for it, then we'd be talking about America's role.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
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You nailed it.
The double standard is chilling.
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The US is like the last country to not recognize the Armenian genocide, it's terrible, especially as an Armenian like myself, System of a Down has been huge advocates trying to influence legislation but to no avail. But also as a veteran, I understand the importance of strategic airbases throughout the world. What can I say, I'm conflicted.
It's real simple. The value of an Armenian life is less than nothing to American leadership. When a nation has nothing that America wants, that nation and its people get swept under the rug. It's frightening. :(
Now, let there be oil discovered in Armenia...or even Darfour for that matter.
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I'm not shedding a tear for Saddam Hussein... but, it just seems sort of sick to me that people of a so-called 'Christian Nation' revel in the barbaric execution so close to the holiest season of the year.
Now... I'm not a Christian... but, I love and try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and personally, do not find any glee in death at a time when I am honoring Jesus and His life. It just seems to me... well, I would think that Jesus wouldn't be too cool with it. Fer Christ's sake... the decorations are still up.
I would imagine it would be different if it were done closer to Groundhog Day or something. Somehow... to me... Christmas celebrations and Capital Punishment just ain't a good mix. I guess it's because Christmas reminds me more of Love Thy Enemy than Groundhog Day.
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