The city of dead girls
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Found this story and was astonished i’ve never heard of these incidents anywhere and still there are daily articles in Finnish tabloids about the missing madeleine even when there’s nothing to report.
A city of Ciudad Juarez across the border from Texas USA has a population of 1,3 mil. and is home to many global companies’ production plants. Since 1993 hundreds of young girls/women, many of whom, worked for these companies have gone missing or found brutally murdered.
There’s of course a lot of articles to be found online about this where the number of casualties varies, but whatever the actual death toll is it’s certain there’s something strange going on. The biggest number i found is actually on wikipedia referring to an article from amnesty international saying:” According to Amnesty International, as of February 2005 more than 370 bodies had been found, and over 400 women were still missing…”
Since USA is so close there are some who believe this to be a safe haven for american serial killers or wealthy businessmen exploiding the women and lack of policing. Of course the local organized crime and police might be capable of such acts too, but all an all so many victims might be the works of many different pervs. Since there are so many unsolved deaths without decent investigation it’s obvious the numbers include some isolated incidents but even for a country with a huge gap between the rich an the poor such as Mexico hundreds of missing women in such a small area is definitely strange and has even been given its’ own definition; Wiki: ”The phenomenon of the female homicides in Ciudad Juárez, called in Spanish the feminicidios ("femicides") or las muertas de Juárez ("The dead women of Juárez"), involves the violent death of hundreds of women since 1993 in the northern Mexican city of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city across the Rio Grande from the U.S. city of El Paso, Texas. Most of the cases remain unsolved”
There’s also a movie with Jennifer Lopez and Antonio Banderas, called Bordertown (2006), which according to the reviews i found, sucks. Also a document Borderechoes is out there (http://www.borderechoes.com/) . Somehow i’ve missed both. Anyone here seen either of these??
Was just wondering has this thing been covered in the U.S.? Searched this forum with juarez and bordertown and found nothing, so most likely there’s no previous discussion about the murders here before.
During the filming of the movie the local police bullied the locals who where helping on the set. Also some of the suspects caught for different murders have received physical damage during custody and prior to a confession.
Of course i’m no expert in this and not everything found online is accurate but despite the apparently crappy hollywood movie and some inaccurate sources the amount of abused women in this area is so huge that it shouldn’t be ignored anymore.
Here’s a collection of links and quotes to give some idea there’s something f’cked up there
Youtube
City of dead girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrwidb2zvk
420 women killed in Ciudad Juarez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21szFgtwtU
Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_homicides_in_Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez
Amnesty International
http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/photoexhibit.html?tr=y&auid=2173748
Amnesty video on one of the victims, her mom and ”the killer”
http://www.amnestyusa.org/Artists_for_Amnesty/Bordertown/page.do?id=&n1=2&n2=22&n3=795
From a facebook group about the cause. Serving as a summary here, but includes some opinions of the original writer.
”Juarez is directly across the Rio Grande from El Paso and is a popular spot for American factories. Since 1993, hundreds--HUNDREDS--of Mexican women who worked at the maquiladoras have been tortured, rape, mutilated, and ultimately murdered. According to Amnesty International, circa 2005, there had been 370 corpses recovered and 400 women were missing.
From the Organization of American States' Inter-American Commission on Human Rights:
"The victims of these crimes have preponderantly been young women, between 17 and 22 years of age. Many were students, and most were maquiladora [workers in foreign owned factories]. A number were relative newcomers to Ciudad Juarez who had migrated from other areas of Mexico. The victims were generally reported missing by their families, with their bodies found days or months later abandoned in vacant lots or outlying areas. In most of these cases there were signs of sexual violence, abuse, torture or in some cases mutilation."
All of which is bad enough, but here's the kicker: the murderer/murderers is/are being allowed to do it. The Mexican feds stopped their investigations in 2006. So what does that suggest? Well, from where I would sit, it would seem that the Federales were given some "compelling" reason to stop the investigation--a reason like, say, somebody in Mexico with a predilection for rape and murder was being allowed to prey on these women in exchange for permission for American companies to build factories over the Mexican border.
What's most disturbing about all this is that the American media have done almost no reporting on the subject at all over the course of the last 14 fucking years, which implicates a whole lot of people in the deaths and disappearances of almost 800 women.
TWO ADDENDA: First, this lovely little response from the Mexican government, via the OAS report:
There are two aspects of this response that are especially relevant. On the one hand, the vast majority of the killings remain in impunity; approximately 20% have been the subject of prosecution and conviction. On the other hand, almost as soon as the rate of killings began to rise, some of the officials responsible for investigation and prosecution began employing a discourse that in effect blamed the victim for the crime. According to public statements of certain highly placed officials, the victims wore short skirts, went out dancing, were “easy” or were prostitutes. Reports document that the response of the relevant officials to the victims’ family members ranged from indifference to hostility.
Second, the OAS report in whole: http://www.cidh.oas.org/annualrep/2002eng/chap.vi.juarez.htm
EDIT 2: Even more shady info, via the OAS report:
---Two men, Gustavo González Meza and Javier García Uribe, were arrested in conjuction with Las Muertas (great, two men for 800 people gone). Reports afterwards found that their confessions to certain murders were given after they, while in police custody, both acquired "multiple burns on the genitals."
---Gustavo González Meza died in mysterious circumstances in his prison cell.
---González's lawyer, Mario César Escabado Anaya, was shot and killed by judicial police (!) before the case made it to trial. Escabado's case was built on the fact that his defendant was tortured into giving a confession.
---Journalists Samira Izaguirre, José Antonio Tirado, José Loya, and an unnamed journalist in the Chihuahua province all reported receiving anonymous threats and harassments while they worked on stories about Las Muertas.
---The "official files" on many of the murders, including 25 in the first year, consist of bags containing the victims' bones.
---When many of the victims' families attempted to report the victims missing, they were told by police that they had to wait 48 further hours to file reports because the "girls had certainly just run away with boyfriends and would return."
---Evidence circa 2002 indicated that as many as 76 of Las Muertas may have been murdered by the same person.
---Several street gangs, as well as Abdul Latif Sharif Sharif (the man who supposedly "commanded" the gangs to murder women), have been detained for years, some since 1996; meanwhile, the pattern killings (murders which suggest a consistent context/method and therefore a common murderer) have continued unabated.” End quote
BBC report from 2005
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4462416.stm
A collection of articles and cases
http://www.libertadlatina.org/Crisis_Lat_Mexico_Juarez_Femicide.htm
A city of Ciudad Juarez across the border from Texas USA has a population of 1,3 mil. and is home to many global companies’ production plants. Since 1993 hundreds of young girls/women, many of whom, worked for these companies have gone missing or found brutally murdered.
There’s of course a lot of articles to be found online about this where the number of casualties varies, but whatever the actual death toll is it’s certain there’s something strange going on. The biggest number i found is actually on wikipedia referring to an article from amnesty international saying:” According to Amnesty International, as of February 2005 more than 370 bodies had been found, and over 400 women were still missing…”
Since USA is so close there are some who believe this to be a safe haven for american serial killers or wealthy businessmen exploiding the women and lack of policing. Of course the local organized crime and police might be capable of such acts too, but all an all so many victims might be the works of many different pervs. Since there are so many unsolved deaths without decent investigation it’s obvious the numbers include some isolated incidents but even for a country with a huge gap between the rich an the poor such as Mexico hundreds of missing women in such a small area is definitely strange and has even been given its’ own definition; Wiki: ”The phenomenon of the female homicides in Ciudad Juárez, called in Spanish the feminicidios ("femicides") or las muertas de Juárez ("The dead women of Juárez"), involves the violent death of hundreds of women since 1993 in the northern Mexican city of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city across the Rio Grande from the U.S. city of El Paso, Texas. Most of the cases remain unsolved”
There’s also a movie with Jennifer Lopez and Antonio Banderas, called Bordertown (2006), which according to the reviews i found, sucks. Also a document Borderechoes is out there (http://www.borderechoes.com/) . Somehow i’ve missed both. Anyone here seen either of these??
Was just wondering has this thing been covered in the U.S.? Searched this forum with juarez and bordertown and found nothing, so most likely there’s no previous discussion about the murders here before.
During the filming of the movie the local police bullied the locals who where helping on the set. Also some of the suspects caught for different murders have received physical damage during custody and prior to a confession.
Of course i’m no expert in this and not everything found online is accurate but despite the apparently crappy hollywood movie and some inaccurate sources the amount of abused women in this area is so huge that it shouldn’t be ignored anymore.
Here’s a collection of links and quotes to give some idea there’s something f’cked up there
Youtube
City of dead girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrwidb2zvk
420 women killed in Ciudad Juarez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21szFgtwtU
Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_homicides_in_Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez
Amnesty International
http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/photoexhibit.html?tr=y&auid=2173748
Amnesty video on one of the victims, her mom and ”the killer”
http://www.amnestyusa.org/Artists_for_Amnesty/Bordertown/page.do?id=&n1=2&n2=22&n3=795
From a facebook group about the cause. Serving as a summary here, but includes some opinions of the original writer.
”Juarez is directly across the Rio Grande from El Paso and is a popular spot for American factories. Since 1993, hundreds--HUNDREDS--of Mexican women who worked at the maquiladoras have been tortured, rape, mutilated, and ultimately murdered. According to Amnesty International, circa 2005, there had been 370 corpses recovered and 400 women were missing.
From the Organization of American States' Inter-American Commission on Human Rights:
"The victims of these crimes have preponderantly been young women, between 17 and 22 years of age. Many were students, and most were maquiladora [workers in foreign owned factories]. A number were relative newcomers to Ciudad Juarez who had migrated from other areas of Mexico. The victims were generally reported missing by their families, with their bodies found days or months later abandoned in vacant lots or outlying areas. In most of these cases there were signs of sexual violence, abuse, torture or in some cases mutilation."
All of which is bad enough, but here's the kicker: the murderer/murderers is/are being allowed to do it. The Mexican feds stopped their investigations in 2006. So what does that suggest? Well, from where I would sit, it would seem that the Federales were given some "compelling" reason to stop the investigation--a reason like, say, somebody in Mexico with a predilection for rape and murder was being allowed to prey on these women in exchange for permission for American companies to build factories over the Mexican border.
What's most disturbing about all this is that the American media have done almost no reporting on the subject at all over the course of the last 14 fucking years, which implicates a whole lot of people in the deaths and disappearances of almost 800 women.
TWO ADDENDA: First, this lovely little response from the Mexican government, via the OAS report:
There are two aspects of this response that are especially relevant. On the one hand, the vast majority of the killings remain in impunity; approximately 20% have been the subject of prosecution and conviction. On the other hand, almost as soon as the rate of killings began to rise, some of the officials responsible for investigation and prosecution began employing a discourse that in effect blamed the victim for the crime. According to public statements of certain highly placed officials, the victims wore short skirts, went out dancing, were “easy” or were prostitutes. Reports document that the response of the relevant officials to the victims’ family members ranged from indifference to hostility.
Second, the OAS report in whole: http://www.cidh.oas.org/annualrep/2002eng/chap.vi.juarez.htm
EDIT 2: Even more shady info, via the OAS report:
---Two men, Gustavo González Meza and Javier García Uribe, were arrested in conjuction with Las Muertas (great, two men for 800 people gone). Reports afterwards found that their confessions to certain murders were given after they, while in police custody, both acquired "multiple burns on the genitals."
---Gustavo González Meza died in mysterious circumstances in his prison cell.
---González's lawyer, Mario César Escabado Anaya, was shot and killed by judicial police (!) before the case made it to trial. Escabado's case was built on the fact that his defendant was tortured into giving a confession.
---Journalists Samira Izaguirre, José Antonio Tirado, José Loya, and an unnamed journalist in the Chihuahua province all reported receiving anonymous threats and harassments while they worked on stories about Las Muertas.
---The "official files" on many of the murders, including 25 in the first year, consist of bags containing the victims' bones.
---When many of the victims' families attempted to report the victims missing, they were told by police that they had to wait 48 further hours to file reports because the "girls had certainly just run away with boyfriends and would return."
---Evidence circa 2002 indicated that as many as 76 of Las Muertas may have been murdered by the same person.
---Several street gangs, as well as Abdul Latif Sharif Sharif (the man who supposedly "commanded" the gangs to murder women), have been detained for years, some since 1996; meanwhile, the pattern killings (murders which suggest a consistent context/method and therefore a common murderer) have continued unabated.” End quote
BBC report from 2005
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4462416.stm
A collection of articles and cases
http://www.libertadlatina.org/Crisis_Lat_Mexico_Juarez_Femicide.htm
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and you cant blame the press for printing stuff about maddie. they are in it to make profit. maddie sells newspapers, and there are quite a few reasons why.
Of course it's no news that not every life is as valuable in the big scheme of things but i was just surprised to come across this by accident and the amount of victims.
well maddies parents really pushed the publicity drive. so there was a reason why she was all over the papers as opposed to hundreds of other missing children.
also she had doctors for parents, was caucasian and blond little girl. what the press might like to portray as the typical british family.
if one of her parents was a cleaner and the other a shopkeeper, and they were immigrants, i somehow doubt it would have had so much coverage.
here's the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_OrFQN07E
and here's the lyrics
intravenously polite it was the walkie-talkies
that had knocked the pins down
as their shoes gripped the dirt floor
in the silhouette of dying
dancing on corpses' ashes
yeah, they had plans for him
they has spun the last of the pimps
corduroy, satin nailed jewelry lips
while the guillotine just laughed again
dancing on the corpses' ashes
paramedics fell into the wound
like a rehired scab at a barehanded plant
an anesthetic penance beneath
the hail of contraband
they had been defected and excommunicated
and all the pulses were subverted
and they made sure the obituaries
showed pictures of smoke stacks
a vivid dissection that mocked
the strut of vivisection
semi-automatic colonies
and a silencing that still walks the streets
in the company of wolves
was a stretcher made of
cobblestone curfews
the federales performed
their custodial customs quite well
callous heels
numbed in travel
endless maps made
by their scalpels
on my way
nails broke and fell
into the
wishing well
usually a sign of a great movie/documentary
I think OP is maybe onto something, maybe those killings are done by local mafia, a rich perv who pays big cash to the police/government for his pleasure.
or it could be that they are not bothered about women in their country. I find it very sickening when authorities try to brush it off by saying woman was "easy". :mad: it doesn't fucking matter!! no woman should be killed end of.
Holy shit, it's snowing
sorry
But it's remarkable that something like that can happen on such a large scale and not for there to be worldwide outrage. Not just anger, or reporting... but OUTRAGE
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you