I'm sorry but this shit makes me laugh at this point..

tbone1

"I am wearing the shroud and I am ready to meet martyrdom"

You know what save us the trouble- Just shoot yourself and you'll be on your way to a dirt hole.

Organized religion is a fucking joke.

It's clearly and obviously evolution baby!!!!!!! Don't people get it!!!!!!

aspoonfulweighsaton

Every religion or faith is going to have it's share of psychos who give it a bad name. To say it's a joke compared to evolution is a fucking riot. I'm not very religious and am not going to argue for it, but evolution is just as far-fetched as any other belief because it's more notorious for it's missing links than any "scientific" evidence for it.

intodeep

Moving Train

SVRDhand13

tbone1 wrote:

"I am wearing the shroud and I am ready to meet martyrdom"

You know what save us the trouble- Just shoot yourself and you'll be on your way to a dirt hole.

Organized religion is a fucking joke.

It's clearly and obviously evolution baby!!!!!!! Don't people get it!!!!!!

i think its organized religion thats tearing us apart rather than bringing people together.

Gremmie95

blah, blah, blah.

Indifference

aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:

but evolution is just as far-fetched as any other belief .

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!

artjam

aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:

Every religion or faith is going to have it's share of psychos who give it a bad name. To say it's a joke compared to evolution is a fucking riot. I'm not very religious and am not going to argue for it, but evolution is just as far-fetched as any other belief because it's more notorious for it's missing links than any "scientific" evidence for it.

evolution, and "missing links" are not as far fetched as christianity.

yosi1

It shouldn't matter whether or not religion is far fetched or not. As long as it brings meaning to someone's life, then it is a good thing. It only becomes a problem when people start believing that their belief should effect other people too instead of it being a personal thing. And when fundamentals use their religion as a reason to hurt others.

artjam

yosi wrote:

It shouldn't matter whether or not religion is far fetched or not. As long as it brings meaning to someone's life, then it is a good thing. It only becomes a problem when people start believing that their belief should effect other people too instead of it being a personal thing. And when fundamentals use their religion as a reason to hurt others.

you take the good
you take the bad
you take em both
and there you have...

a load of shit

improvgirl312

Organized religion is not a joke.

It's something that means a lot to a lot of people.

As a former Roman Catholic, I will be the first to admit that some religions could stand to be more welcoming and tolerant of others, but it is not completely useless. If we were more willing to have open and edcational discussions about religon, we could achieve a better understanding of our world and the problems facing it.

As for evolution, it is a theory that has been backed up by solid archeological evidence. Perhaps there is no solid archeological proof that Jesus rose from the dead or that Moses parted the Red Sea, but this does not mean that we can look down on the people who believe that these events occured.

A person's religion, or lack thereof, does not make them better, or worse, than anybody else.

yosi1

artjam wrote:

you take the good
you take the bad
you take em both
and there you have...

a load of shit

You are refering to what? Yourself?

aspoonfulweighsaton

improvgirl312 wrote:

A person's religion, or lack thereof, does not make them better, or worse, than anybody else.

Exactly. I could care less what people believe, it's just that when they ignore that there are shortcomings in their (all) belief(s) that it makes me laugh and feel sorry for them.

SVRDhand13

if Republicans are so called Christians why do they go against what Jesus said and kill (not just in defense-sometimes before even being attacked).

ever hear of turn the other cheek?

and don;t gimme that bullshit "freedom isn't free". if thats true then either be a christian or Patriot because in this day and age you can't follow both ideologies.

artjam

improvgirl312 wrote:

Perhaps there is no solid archeological proof that Jesus rose from the dead or that Moses parted the Red Sea, but this does not mean that we can look down on the people who believe that these events occured.

So your claiming athiests look down on those who believe in an organized religion. It seems to me the other way around.

yosi1

artjam wrote:

So your claiming athiests look down on those who believe in an organized religion. It seems to me the other way around.

I don't think the poster was refering to all atheists. I think they were saying that some of the posts in here were looking down on organized religion because there is no proof in it. But people who are relgious should likewise not look down on atheists. Everyone should just do what gives meaning to their lives as long as they are not hurting or affecting anyone else.

artjam

yosi wrote:

I don't think the poster was refering to all atheists. I think they were saying that some of the posts in here were looking down on organized religion because there is no proof in it. But people who are relgious should likewise not look down on atheists. Everyone should just do what gives meaning to their lives as long as they are not hurting or affecting anyone else.

I agree to a point. I dont think there is anything wrong with people believing whatever they want as long as they do it peacefully. I think that in OUR country, it would be more chaotic if religion didnt keep people fearful. So it is a good thing to a point. I just get defensive from all the years of people trying to push things on me. I wouldnt get so angry or defensive about the subject if it wouldnt have been thrown in my face all my life.

sk8nshoot1

Ummm... That's why any religion is called faith... It calls for you to believe in unverifiable "things" (for lack of a better word) and to follow in accordance with the "rules" of the faith...

Some can do it and others can't... But to each their own...

yosi1

artjam wrote:

I agree to a point. I dont think there is anything wrong with people believing whatever they want as long as they do it peacefully. I think that in OUR country, it would be more chaotic if religion didnt keep people fearful. So it is a good thing to a point. I just get defensive from all the years of people trying to push things on me. I wouldnt get so angry or defensive about the subject if it wouldnt have been thrown in my face all my life.

Well as someone who comes from a religious family I find it offensive when I hear people talking about how meaningless and stupid it is. I'm at a place in my life where I'm not sure what I believe, and if I find it meaningful for myself, but when I see how much meaning it can bring to someone's life (like my mother and father) I still find it very offensive when people put it down. If its not for you, thats fine, there's no reason you should feel like you need it to be, or are any less. We all need to do what is right for ourselves in a peaceful way, and that includes being religious, and not.

Derrick

Religion should be a vehicle for faith.

Unfortunately, most modern organized religions see faith as a vehicle for the religion.

All in all, this is not a Pearl Jam related thread and I am regretting bumping it.

samsaidhey

I dont usually get into these things... however... religion is very misunderstood. Christianity in particular. You have extremesist and hardcore fundamentalists in each sect... however, being a christian, and seeing what has happend to what should be a peaceful, loving religion angers me... because all that Jesus has done is being undermined, and excuse the taboo word, hijacked.

Christianity is based on the the belief that Jesus is God, and he was resurrected. What Jesus preached, and what our religion is based on is Love, Peace, Forgiveness. It is not about being righteous, as no one human can ever be, which is why Jesus sacrificed himself... it is not about being judgemental, or to be afraid of God... it is about being the best you can be as a human... it is to treat others as you yourself would like to be treated... even better than what you can be treated... it is about taking care of each other, it is about being kind. What he preached about is understanding. Even then the religion at the time was being butchered and used only for the good of the rich... as it is being reflected once again in our society... Jesus, walked on this earth to tell us it has no bounderies, and it is not about HATE, FEAR, JUDGING, STATUS, MONEY... THAT NO ONE, can use the name of God for a reason for war, to hurt, to kill.

I always find it funny when i hear the hardcore fundamentalist claim to be teaching and preaching Christianity, but never preaching or talking about what Jesus (who are relgion is based on - need i say this again) taught.

As for Science and evolution... these are things that dont have to be separate from Christianity and religion... God gave us Knowledge, to learn to grow, to better our world... Its just that it has been segregated because the hardcores on both sides are so afraid to admit, that it could all be connected.

Which is a shame, when we close a door on a thought.

Anyways... this went on way to long... just wanted to put my two cents on Christianity (Which is Jesus - There I said it again) - which is Peace Love Understanding, Forgiveness.

improvgirl312

artjam wrote:

So your claiming athiests look down on those who believe in an organized religion. It seems to me the other way around.

No, actually. No, I'm not.

not4u

it is equally both

veritas

i put people who believe in jesus in the same group as the people who believe in bigfoot

duncan in the sand

improvgirl312 wrote:

Organized religion is not a joke.

It's something that means a lot to a lot of people.

As a former Roman Catholic, I will be the first to admit that some religions could stand to be more welcoming and tolerant of others, but it is not completely useless. If we were more willing to have open and edcational discussions about religon, we could achieve a better understanding of our world and the problems facing it.

As for evolution, it is a theory that has been backed up by solid archeological evidence. Perhaps there is no solid archeological proof that Jesus rose from the dead or that Moses parted the Red Sea, but this does not mean that we can look down on the people who believe that these events occured.

A person's religion, or lack thereof, does not make them better, or worse, than anybody else.

Just more dangerous.

sponger

artjam wrote:

So your claiming athiests look down on those who believe in an organized religion. It seems to me the other way around.

exactly. we atheists are "morally deprived".

improvgirl312

duncan in the sand wrote:

Just more dangerous.

I don't see how someone who believes in something in a rational way can be dangerous. I went to Catholic school; I know that not everyone there is an intolerant extremist.

Religious people are not all dangerous. Ignorant blanket statements are.

SVRDhand13

whenever people are passionate about something, like religion, their nationality, or even something so simple as athletic teams, people will argue and people will fight.

the problem with religion is that its supposed to bring people together yet it tears the world apart, and if you don't believe that look at the reasons most of the world's wars started in the first place.

i don't care if there are many peaceful religious people in the world, plenty of people like myself don't need to go the church to be a "good" person.

sorry for the rant, i just wish people could see what religion is supposed to be about (and many do) and stop all the bullshit.