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The Legacy of 9/11
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How do you think 9/11 changed America and you?
I remember that after 9/11 the whole world became united as one, it seemed that for perhaps the first time ever we became the 'human race', as opposed to different countries, religions etc. The whole world agreed that things needed to change, and rallied behind America.
Unfortunately Bush and Blair fucked all that up with the phoney Iraq war. It'd be nice if the next leaders of our countries can bring it back and use 9/11 to change the world again. I honestly believe that 9/11 was perhaps the worst day ever in the history of the human race, no question, and Bush and Blair perhaps lost sight of that.
Personally, it changed my outlook to other people and I think I'm much more tolerant of other religions and races.
I remember that after 9/11 the whole world became united as one, it seemed that for perhaps the first time ever we became the 'human race', as opposed to different countries, religions etc. The whole world agreed that things needed to change, and rallied behind America.
Unfortunately Bush and Blair fucked all that up with the phoney Iraq war. It'd be nice if the next leaders of our countries can bring it back and use 9/11 to change the world again. I honestly believe that 9/11 was perhaps the worst day ever in the history of the human race, no question, and Bush and Blair perhaps lost sight of that.
Personally, it changed my outlook to other people and I think I'm much more tolerant of other religions and races.
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"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
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For a time being Osama being public enemy number one.
Personally it didn't really affect me. I suppose alot of people are scared of any Arab flying on their planes(stereotyical assumption).
The US lived in fear for the first time ever . It was the first time I can remember the mainland of the united States being attacked (what was it like during the Cuban Missile Crisis?).
It changed the regard in which the United States is regarded in the Musilm world .
I realized 9/11 sucked, but calling it the worst day in the history of the human race is a bit much. 3000 dead is awful, but how many died in the hiroshima/nagasaki bombs, the holocaust, and in attacks that occur on a daily basis in some areas of the world. No offence, but that was a pretty America-biased statement and is a part of the reason much of the world doesn't care for America- they think their lives are more valuable than others.
That being said, I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, not trying to start anything.
I agree with you that the Bush administration fucked up and turned the world against them when the world was at its most sympathic.
-Ashley Montagu
I realized 9/11 sucked, but calling it the worst day in the history of the human race is a bit much. 3000 dead is awful, but how many died in the hiroshima/nagasaki bombs, the holocaust, and in attacks that occur on a daily basis in some areas of the world. No offence, but that was a pretty America-biased statement and is a part of the reason much of the world doesn't care for America- they think their lives are more valuable than others.
That being said, I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, not trying to start anything.
I agree with you that the Bush administration fucked up and turned the world against them when the world was at its most sympathic.
-Ashley Montagu
we'd aparantly prefer this to working on improving things. We think short term to relive us of any obligations.
9-11 has become our defining moment. we are defined as weak. Maybe one day 9-11 will be a turning point - not because the world has change, because it didn't.. but because we finally realized that it is us that are weak and need to change.
unlikely though...
a nation of cowards....wow...
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
and spot on
I wouldn't say they are all cowards, but it is true that America gave up a lot of its freedoms after 9/11 because of the fear of another attack. I think its the more uneducated people who buy into whatever the media and the president tells them that have allowed themselves to be terrified. Go to some little town of 1200 people in Kansas and they're probably scared shitless (or were 5 years ago anyway), lol.
Now think of it like this...
GW likes to say that America was attacked because the terrorists hate freedom (i think its a little more complicated than that but...)
Americans are afraid (or Terrorized) and so agree to give up certain freedoms so that the Terrorists can be caught when/if they attack again.
In this case, the Terrorists don't have to attack again, because if their goal was to use terror/fear to destroy American freedom, then they have already won!
Very simplified of course, but there ya go...
Meanwhile, the fear that has been created by the terrorists and enhanced by GW's administration is used to rally support for wars and bombings which really just piss the terrorists off more which could provoke another attack.
Terrorism sucks ass, but George Bush's America is going about solving the problem all wrong, and in my opinion they are digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole.
-Ashley Montagu
but i guess we will have to disagree on that.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
what would you have done then? I'm asking for an honest answer. What would you have done right after 9-11 so that we wouldn't have been cowards?
I saw people from all over the country pouring out their time and effort and money to NYC and DC. I saw that even though americans are accused of being selfish at times, most when the situation calls for it, are EXCEEDINLY giving. I just wish we could have kept that part of it.
holy hyperbole batman... can you spell drama queen?
stayed on task in afghanistan to create a strong and functioning democracy in an islamic country that is far more receptive to it than iraq.
found bin laden and focused on dismantling al-quaeda.
called our rich saudi friends on the carpet and took serious steps to put an end to their funding of terrorism.
worked on alternative fuels to wean us off our dependence on their black gold.
used our universal support to work on effective and comperhensive anti-terror efforts on an international scale, perhaps using the UN as a forum, rather than squandering that support on an ill-advised invasion of a country that had little if anything to do with terrorism.
increased border, airport, and harbor security via increased ovesight and more frequent checks and undercover "air marshals."
cut down on government bureacracy to ensure that things do not slip through the cracks by simply exploiting our paper trails. (eg. 9/11 hijackers getting approved for visas after their deaths).
a complete overhaul of US military and intelligence programs to meet a changing world scene, including a streamlined chain of command, elimination of agency overlaps, centralized intelligence (no more jurisdiction conflicts and keeping secrets from competitors to ensure better funding).
shift some of that funding to first responder programs such as local police, fire, and emt departments for better training, equipment, and facilities.
steps taken that did NOT make us safer:
alientation from international community and inflammation of the muslim world via invasion of a country unrelated to terrorism.
wire taps of us citizens with no oversight of any kind.
distracting citizens from international issues with alarmist gay marriage and evolution rhetoric.
If you ran for President, I think you'd have my vote!
I'm sure you felt this way 9/10/01.
"I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America, I hate America."
That's all I saw when I read that post.
--agree, we should have tried to stabilize one country first.
found bin laden and focused on dismantling al-quaeda.
-- they are trying on both, but i wish they would've just gone in full on right after 9/11 and got bin laden.
called our rich saudi friends on the carpet and took serious steps to put an end to their funding of terrorism.
-- agree
worked on alternative fuels to wean us off our dependence on their black gold.
-- more than agree, of course we need people who aren't making millions / billions off of oil to be in control
used our universal support to work on effective and comperhensive anti-terror efforts on an international scale, perhaps using the UN as a forum, rather than squandering that support on an ill-advised invasion of a country that had little if anything to do with terrorism.
--I think that there is universal support to stop terror (england a month ago, pakistan handing over terrorists. And let me counterpoint your last statement... an ill-advised invasion of a country that had little if anything to do with the 9/11 terrorist attack...they def have helped terrorists (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/)
increased border, airport, and harbor security via increased ovesight and more frequent checks and undercover "air marshals."
-- agree and they've done some of that. I think with a lot of this the ideas are easy to come up with, it's the implementation that's the hard part.
cut down on government bureacracy to ensure that things do not slip through the cracks by simply exploiting our paper trails. (eg. 9/11 hijackers getting approved for visas after their deaths).
-- It's a shame we need 9/11 to trigger / emphasize this thought, isn't it.
a complete overhaul of US military and intelligence programs to meet a changing world scene, including a streamlined chain of command, elimination of agency overlaps, centralized intelligence (no more jurisdiction conflicts and keeping secrets from competitors to ensure better funding).
shift some of that funding to first responder programs such as local police, fire, and emt departments for better training, equipment, and facilities.
- I hope they have done that, but i think the biggest complaint is that it took so long to do this (assuming this has been started)
steps taken that did NOT make us safer:
alientation from international community and inflammation of the muslim world via invasion of a country unrelated to terrorism.
wire taps of us citizens with no oversight of any kind.
-- i agree with the wire tapping, i think they need it HOWEVER, they should use oversight and that is the real problem.
distracting citizens from international issues with alarmist gay marriage and evolution rhetoric.
To clarify - I'm not american, some would say very anti-american, so I'm most definitely not biased! One of the reasons that I think it was the worst day, is that it was televised, and its impact was stunning, in an hour and half, the world had changed.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
it was a terrible day and a day that had an immediate effect on the whole world, thanks to mass media. I think that there have been just as many terrible days in the world, but this was definitely the most widespread coverage of a single even that i can recall. Maybe the copious amounts of coverage helped make it the most terrible day. It's def the most terrible day i've been alive to see.
What I would NOT have done: spy on American citizens; arrest people without warrants; prevent prisoners from speaking to their families and attorneys; accuse people who disagreed with me of hating freedom or hating America or sympathizing with terrorists.
Of course I don't hate America. Neither do I give it a free pass when it does something wrong, just because I happened to be born here.
What jackass accuses you of that?
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hehehe..........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Ha, I hope you knew my "jackass" comment was in jest to my previous comment that you had replied to in the previous post. I couldn't tell from your post whether you thought I was being serious or not.
I have the utmost respect for you darlin - but you obviously weren't living in New York
the more it sickens me......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
reality can be a hard pill to swallow at times...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
especially coming from you.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
hey, i'm here for ya, speedy
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way