Will we ever capture Bin Laden...

pushmepullme
pushmepullme Posts: 255
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
And are we even trying? Its been over 5 years since 9/11, and we knew from the day after, that Bin Laden was behind it.

So why haven't we caught him?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    no one cares anymore. that's why. he is irrelevant. the whole 'war on terror' is post-bin laden.
    if they ever found him they'd have to come up woith another bogie man so they just let him live in his cave in pakistan or wherever they reckon he is. it's just easier to pretend we're looking. that way we get to blame extreme violence on some splinter al-qaeda group.
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  • pushmepullme
    pushmepullme Posts: 255
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?
    "I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)

    "Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)

    --Ed

    "Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)

    --Ed

  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    no, i didn't say that.
    i care deeply that people lost their lives on that day. i also care that people continue to lose their lives daily in the name of democracy and fighting terrorism in iraq and afghanistan and anywhere else we've forgotten a military presence is within our world.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    no. at least this admin doesn't. they only care about having a scapegoat. that's why we went to iraq. to distract the country from the fact that we couldnt find him. they dont give a damn what bin laden's doing, long as they keep the country scared enough to vote for them again. americans are finally (thank god) starting to see the light.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    soulsinging wrote:
    no. at least this admin doesn't. they only care about having a scapegoat. that's why we went to iraq. to distract the country from the fact that we couldnt find him. they dont give a damn what bin laden's doing, long as they keep the country scared enough to vote for them again. americans are finally (thank god) starting to see the light.

    I agree with this. It wouldn't be much of a surprise though if they did capture him and have a big press conference and say 'we've got 'em' and go on about how they are winning the war on terrorism... It would be a perfect distraction from the mess in Iraq... people would feel it was all worth it, once the evil Osama is put to death.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?


    is that what happened?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Hes not that easy to find....
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    In my kitchen, I have a garbage bin laden with velvet.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    miller8966 wrote:
    Hes not that easy to find....
    You'd expect more form the greatest and most powerful country in the world.
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  • pushmepullme
    pushmepullme Posts: 255
    He's on permanent kidney dialysis, he can't be that mobile.
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    "Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Hes not that easy to find....

    We where able to find Saddam, in the middle of Iraq, hiding in a tiny hole in the ground.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    We where able to find Saddam, in the middle of Iraq, hiding in a tiny hole in the ground.


    thats because we invaded Iraq and sent teams to walk around looking for him.

    bin laden is or was hiding in the mountains of afgahistan. one of the most remote regions on earth. you cant just walk around.

    now I believe he is in the tribal areas of pakistan where outsiders and even the pakistani government simply can not go.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    I think if you should care it shouldn't have anything to do with on whose soil it actually was.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats because we invaded Iraq and sent teams to walk around looking for him.

    bin laden is or was hiding in the mountains of afgahistan. one of the most remote regions on earth. you cant just walk around.

    now I believe he is in the tribal areas of pakistan where outsiders and even the pakistani government simply can not go.

    We didn't catch Bin Laden because we sub-contracted the job to local Afghan militias. Their loyalty was not us but to whom ever paid them. Bin Laden was able to buy his way out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Had we sent enough troops to Afghanistan and did the job ourselves we porbabaly wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As far as him hiding in Pakistan, the Pakistani government will not allow our forces to cross into Pakistan to search for him. Now to me, and I could be wrong, that is harboring a terrorist.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Who is Bin Laden again????? Oh Yeah........that guy.......!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    We didn't catch Bin Laden because we sub-contracted the job to local Afghan militias. Their loyalty was not us but to whom ever paid them. Bin Laden was able to buy his way out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Had we sent enough troops to Afghanistan and did the job ourselves we porbabaly wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As far as him hiding in Pakistan, the Pakistani government will not allow our forces to cross into Pakistan to search for him. Now to me, and I could be wrong, that is harboring a terrorist.


    yea pakistan is a touching situation. I dont really consider the tribal areas part of pakistan. they have been under rule of tribal elders for longer then pakistan has been a country.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea pakistan is a touching situation. I dont really consider the tribal areas part of pakistan. they have been under rule of tribal elders for longer then pakistan has been a country.

    I agree that it is a dicey situation there, but if our government was sincere in it's efforts to capture Osama they would deal with the situation. Letting him get to the area was their first mistake. As I said had we done the job ourselves this problem would not exist, but this administration idea of carrying out military operations on the cheap back fired.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    pushmepullme wrote:
    And are we even trying? Its been over 5 years since 9/11, and we knew from the day after, that Bin Laden was behind it.

    So why haven't we caught him?

    I don't think this administration or any future administrations are interested in catching Bin Laden. And to be honest, I'm not interested in catching Bin Laden either because that isn't going to solve the problem of terrorism against the United States. Bin Laden is just a symbol that a small percentage of Muslims identify with and are inspired by. Catching him won't prevent future attacks from other terrorist groups. I'm much more interested in figuring out how to minimize the threat of terrorism in general. The wars we've launched don't seem to be helping, but I don't think a massive manhunt for Bin Laden would help either.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Saturnal wrote:
    I don't think this administration or any future administrations are interested in catching Bin Laden. And to be honest, I'm not interested in catching Bin Laden either because that isn't going to solve the problem of terrorism against the United States. Bin Laden is just a symbol that a small percentage of Muslims identify with and are inspired by. Catching him won't prevent future attacks from other terrorist groups. I'm much more interested in figuring out how to minimize the threat of terrorism in general. The wars we've launched don't seem to be helping, but I don't think a massive manhunt for Bin Laden would help either.

    You also run into a shit load of problems once you do catch him. If he dies in a gun fight he is a martyr to his followers and many other like minded individuals. If you capture him alive what do you do with him. Can the US try him in our court system? If we do, will it be a fair trial or just some televised circus for the public to entertain themselves with. Or de we give him over to a third country to do the dirty work for us.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    mammasan wrote:
    You also run into a shit load of problems once you do catch him. If he dies in a gun fight he is a martyr to his followers and many other like minded individuals. If you capture him alive what do you do with him. Can the US try him in our court system? If we do, will it be a fair trial or just some televised circus for the public to entertain themselves with. Or de we give him over to a third country to do the dirty work for us.

    Yeah, that's why I'm not interested in capturing him. It's not going to help reduce the risk of terrorism no matter how it's handled.

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