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Will we ever capture Bin Laden...

pushmepullmepushmepullme Posts: 255
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
And are we even trying? Its been over 5 years since 9/11, and we knew from the day after, that Bin Laden was behind it.

So why haven't we caught him?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    no one cares anymore. that's why. he is irrelevant. the whole 'war on terror' is post-bin laden.
    if they ever found him they'd have to come up woith another bogie man so they just let him live in his cave in pakistan or wherever they reckon he is. it's just easier to pretend we're looking. that way we get to blame extreme violence on some splinter al-qaeda group.
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  • pushmepullmepushmepullme Posts: 255
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?
    "I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)

    "Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)

    --Ed

    "Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)

    --Ed

  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    no, i didn't say that.
    i care deeply that people lost their lives on that day. i also care that people continue to lose their lives daily in the name of democracy and fighting terrorism in iraq and afghanistan and anywhere else we've forgotten a military presence is within our world.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    no. at least this admin doesn't. they only care about having a scapegoat. that's why we went to iraq. to distract the country from the fact that we couldnt find him. they dont give a damn what bin laden's doing, long as they keep the country scared enough to vote for them again. americans are finally (thank god) starting to see the light.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    soulsinging wrote:
    no. at least this admin doesn't. they only care about having a scapegoat. that's why we went to iraq. to distract the country from the fact that we couldnt find him. they dont give a damn what bin laden's doing, long as they keep the country scared enough to vote for them again. americans are finally (thank god) starting to see the light.

    I agree with this. It wouldn't be much of a surprise though if they did capture him and have a big press conference and say 'we've got 'em' and go on about how they are winning the war on terrorism... It would be a perfect distraction from the mess in Iraq... people would feel it was all worth it, once the evil Osama is put to death.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?


    is that what happened?
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    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Hes not that easy to find....
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    In my kitchen, I have a garbage bin laden with velvet.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    miller8966 wrote:
    Hes not that easy to find....
    You'd expect more form the greatest and most powerful country in the world.
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  • pushmepullmepushmepullme Posts: 255
    He's on permanent kidney dialysis, he can't be that mobile.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Hes not that easy to find....

    We where able to find Saddam, in the middle of Iraq, hiding in a tiny hole in the ground.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    We where able to find Saddam, in the middle of Iraq, hiding in a tiny hole in the ground.


    thats because we invaded Iraq and sent teams to walk around looking for him.

    bin laden is or was hiding in the mountains of afgahistan. one of the most remote regions on earth. you cant just walk around.

    now I believe he is in the tribal areas of pakistan where outsiders and even the pakistani government simply can not go.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    pushmepullme wrote:
    No one cares that he orchestrated a terrorist act that killed 3000 people on american soil?

    I think if you should care it shouldn't have anything to do with on whose soil it actually was.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats because we invaded Iraq and sent teams to walk around looking for him.

    bin laden is or was hiding in the mountains of afgahistan. one of the most remote regions on earth. you cant just walk around.

    now I believe he is in the tribal areas of pakistan where outsiders and even the pakistani government simply can not go.

    We didn't catch Bin Laden because we sub-contracted the job to local Afghan militias. Their loyalty was not us but to whom ever paid them. Bin Laden was able to buy his way out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Had we sent enough troops to Afghanistan and did the job ourselves we porbabaly wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As far as him hiding in Pakistan, the Pakistani government will not allow our forces to cross into Pakistan to search for him. Now to me, and I could be wrong, that is harboring a terrorist.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Who is Bin Laden again????? Oh Yeah........that guy.......!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    We didn't catch Bin Laden because we sub-contracted the job to local Afghan militias. Their loyalty was not us but to whom ever paid them. Bin Laden was able to buy his way out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Had we sent enough troops to Afghanistan and did the job ourselves we porbabaly wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As far as him hiding in Pakistan, the Pakistani government will not allow our forces to cross into Pakistan to search for him. Now to me, and I could be wrong, that is harboring a terrorist.


    yea pakistan is a touching situation. I dont really consider the tribal areas part of pakistan. they have been under rule of tribal elders for longer then pakistan has been a country.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea pakistan is a touching situation. I dont really consider the tribal areas part of pakistan. they have been under rule of tribal elders for longer then pakistan has been a country.

    I agree that it is a dicey situation there, but if our government was sincere in it's efforts to capture Osama they would deal with the situation. Letting him get to the area was their first mistake. As I said had we done the job ourselves this problem would not exist, but this administration idea of carrying out military operations on the cheap back fired.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    pushmepullme wrote:
    And are we even trying? Its been over 5 years since 9/11, and we knew from the day after, that Bin Laden was behind it.

    So why haven't we caught him?

    I don't think this administration or any future administrations are interested in catching Bin Laden. And to be honest, I'm not interested in catching Bin Laden either because that isn't going to solve the problem of terrorism against the United States. Bin Laden is just a symbol that a small percentage of Muslims identify with and are inspired by. Catching him won't prevent future attacks from other terrorist groups. I'm much more interested in figuring out how to minimize the threat of terrorism in general. The wars we've launched don't seem to be helping, but I don't think a massive manhunt for Bin Laden would help either.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Saturnal wrote:
    I don't think this administration or any future administrations are interested in catching Bin Laden. And to be honest, I'm not interested in catching Bin Laden either because that isn't going to solve the problem of terrorism against the United States. Bin Laden is just a symbol that a small percentage of Muslims identify with and are inspired by. Catching him won't prevent future attacks from other terrorist groups. I'm much more interested in figuring out how to minimize the threat of terrorism in general. The wars we've launched don't seem to be helping, but I don't think a massive manhunt for Bin Laden would help either.

    You also run into a shit load of problems once you do catch him. If he dies in a gun fight he is a martyr to his followers and many other like minded individuals. If you capture him alive what do you do with him. Can the US try him in our court system? If we do, will it be a fair trial or just some televised circus for the public to entertain themselves with. Or de we give him over to a third country to do the dirty work for us.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    mammasan wrote:
    You also run into a shit load of problems once you do catch him. If he dies in a gun fight he is a martyr to his followers and many other like minded individuals. If you capture him alive what do you do with him. Can the US try him in our court system? If we do, will it be a fair trial or just some televised circus for the public to entertain themselves with. Or de we give him over to a third country to do the dirty work for us.

    Yeah, that's why I'm not interested in capturing him. It's not going to help reduce the risk of terrorism no matter how it's handled.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Saturnal wrote:
    I don't think this administration or any future administrations are interested in catching Bin Laden.

    I doubt it. he is still at the top of the list of most wanted men.
    Saturnal wrote:
    And to be honest, I'm not interested in catching Bin Laden either because that isn't going to solve the problem of terrorism against the United States. Bin Laden is just a symbol that a small percentage of Muslims identify with and are inspired by.

    a small percentage? I dont think so. catching him would be very symbolic and would be a considered a great defeat to the leader and founder of the worst terror organization ever to exist. as far as extremist go, Bin laden is very savvy and smart. I dont think he can be replaced with someone of the same intelligence level.
  • BetterRadioBetterRadio Posts: 189
    There could be a chance we already have him. If there's nothing to be afraid of then they aren't in control of the dumb american who thinks this is a war for freedom.

    If they did they'd just find another terror scapegoat.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    How does anyone know whether they got him or not? I doubt anyone will ever know if they get him or not.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I doubt it. he is still at the top of the list of most wanted men.



    a small percentage? I dont think so. catching him would be very symbolic and would be a considered a great defeat to the leader and founder of the worst terror organization ever to exist. as far as extremist go, Bin laden is very savvy and smart. I dont think he can be replaced with someone of the same intelligence level.

    The reason there are Muslim terrorists hell-bent on destroying the U.S. has little to do with Bin Laden. There will always be someone to replace him as long as the same hatred for the U.S. remains. Capturing or killing Bin Laden isn't going to erase that hatred, and it's not going to reduce terrorism in the long run. If anything, it'd probably increase the risk of terrorism just like the invasions did of Iraq and Afghanistan did.

    And the reason he's been rather successful at terrorism isn't really because he's so much smarter than the other terrorists...it's more because he's had more wealth and means to conduct his terrorist activities.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Saturnal wrote:
    The reason there are Muslim terrorists hell-bent on destroying the U.S. has little to do with Bin Laden. There will always be someone to replace him as long as the same hatred for the U.S. remains. Capturing or killing Bin Laden isn't going to erase that hatred, and it's not going to reduce terrorism in the long run. If anything, it'd probably increase the risk of terrorism just like the invasions did of Iraq and Afghanistan did.

    it would still be a symbolic victory for the US in the war on terror.

    Saturnal wrote:
    And the reason he's been rather successful at terrorism isn't really because he's so much smarter than the other terrorists...it's more because he's had more wealth and means to conduct his terrorist activities.

    yes he has more wealth but he is also much smarter. his actions are much more planned out then your average jihaidist. too many of those idiots are interested in being rock stars like the leader of el queda in iraq who was killed.

    bottom line is. he needs to be caught, preferably killed.
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    Bin Laden had been dead for several years.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Bin Laden had been dead for several years.

    o really? where did you get such good information?
  • TruthmongerTruthmonger Posts: 559
    Anyone see this article where Michael Scheuer talks about how the U.S. has fucked up in Afghanistan ?

    http://www.dailyindia.com/show/98470.php/US-will-never-find-a-more-willing-ally-than-Musharraf:-former-CIA-chief

    An excerpt:

    He said: "in future years, when America's defeat in Afghanistan is apparent, and if he survives, Gen Musharraf would be able to reflect on his relationship with President Bush and say - as President Lincoln said about Union General McClellan - "Poor George, I did all I could to help him, but he proved unable to do anything to help himself".

    He said the way ahead in Afghanistan and along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border would ultimately lead to the defeat of US and NATO forces and the demise of the Hamid Karzai government.

    "By failing to accomplish the only mission that had to be accomplished in Afghanistan, the US was now faced with a growing insurgency that probably already outnumbered the combined US-NATO force," he added. (ANI)
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    a small percentage? I dont think so.

    You think a big percentage of Muslims are inspired by Bin Laden and identify with him?
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    jlew24asu wrote:
    o really? where did you get such good information?


    or do you mean o reilly?? Same places as you do only I dont swallow it down with a cup of sugar like you.
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