All I'm saying is give libertarianism a chance.

Pacomc79

All I've heard from republican canidates last week is that libertarians don't believe in government.

Absolute utter bullshit.

Plenty of libertarians believe in government the vast majority of libertarians believe in small direct government with strong local power and less national infuence giving the most amount of personal and economic liberties possible but still maintaining commerce and safety in society, theydon't believe in the hulking steaming pile of waste the Democratic and Republican parties have allowed it to become.

Frankly, voting republican if you're a fiscal conservative is more a "waste of your vote" than voting libertarian.

After hearing Sonny Perdue talk about it this morning and seeing his new "tax" plan.....

I'm voting Libertarian all the way down the list. I'm completely done with the Republican and Democratic parties. Worthless assholes all.

Like I'm going to listen to a phone call from fucking John Ashcroft telling me how I should vote anyway.

Saying Libertarians don't believe in any government is like me saying Republicans believe in moral totalitiarianism.

norm

I've been voting Libertarian since after my first election - I voted for GHWB. I will never make the same mistake again. If the US instituted Instant Runoff Voting http://www.instantrunoff.com/index.asp I think we would see more third party candidates elected.

mammasan

I'm supporting the Libertarian candidate in my states senate race.

cincybearcat

Their website and some of their views do concern me...National Defense (their lack of it especially)...but I knwo where you are coming from. I'll certainly consider them far more often then I did before....but they have to come back to reality on some things.

Pacomc79

cincybearcat wrote:

Their website and some of their views do concern me...National Defense (their lack of it especially)...but I knwo where you are coming from. I'll certainly consider them far more often then I did before....but they have to come back to reality on some things.

some of the views on National Defense I don't understand either, because ultimately the main role of the federal government would be to protect the states and National Defense is obviously Job #1.

I guess you could call me a moderate libertarian. Yeah some of them get extreme and they are the "complete self government" people but it's really not most of us.

VictoryGin

mammasan wrote:

I'm supporting the Libertarian candidate in my states senate race.

you are?

Jeanwah

cutback wrote:

If the US instituted Instant Runoff Voting http://www.instantrunoff.com/index.asp I think we would see more third party candidates elected.

I likey. We really need to make the voting process better.

jeffbr

mammasan wrote:

I'm supporting the Libertarian candidate in my states senate race.

I am, too.

farfromglorified

Number of Libertarians running on my ballot tomorrow = 0. Shame...looks like I need to run for office here.

norm

farfromglorified wrote:

Number of Libertarians running on my ballot tomorrow = 0. Shame...looks like I need to run for office here.

Damn! Any independents, Green Party? Anything better than the big two, IMHO.

farfromglorified

cutback wrote:

Damn! Any independents, Green Party? Anything better than the big two, IMHO.

See for yourself:

http://www.co.orange.nc.us/elect/Ballot_Style_1_Nov06.pdf

Fascists as far as the eye can see

norm

farfromglorified wrote:

See for yourself:

http://www.co.orange.nc.us/elect/Ballot_Style_1_Nov06.pdf

Fascists as far as the eye can see

Ah, the south. That is one scary ballot.

1970RR

FYI - Here is a piece on some of the Libertarians in this election:
http://reason.com/news/show/116496.html

mammasan

VictoryGin wrote:

you are?

Yes I am. He is fiscally conservative, a true conservative, and socially liberal. He believes in state's rights over federal control. Supports stem cell research. Believes that abortion and same sex marriage should be decided on a state by state basis, not the federal government. I can go on but I'm sure you get the picture.

kenny olav

Libertarians are anarchists with money.

Anarchists believe property is theft. Libertarians believe everything
is property.

Libertarians are bosses; anarchists work for them when they run out of
other options.

Libertarians buy more guns, but anarchists use more ammo.

Libertarians ride in stretch limos; anarchists throw bricks through
their windshields.

Libertarians go shopping; anarchists go shoplifting.

Libertarians go to the police after they've been mugged; anarchists
get mugged by the police.

A libertarian wants to marry another libertarian, but only after
sleeping with enough anarchists.

Anarchists ignore the IRS; Libertarians hire accountants and attorneys
to fight them.

Libertarians think the government is trying steal the property they
rightfully own; anarchists think the government is trying to defend
property that nobody rightfully owns.

Libertarians are organized in a political party; anarchists aren't
organized in anything.

Anarchists ignore elections; Libertarians run for office, vote and
lose.

kenny olav

The Libertarian as Conservative by Bob Black

I agreed to come here today to speak on some such subject as “The Libertarian as Conservative.” To me this is so obvious that I am hard put to find something to say to people who still think libertarianism has something to do with liberty. A libertarian is just a Republican who takes drugs. I’d have preferred a more controversial topic like “The Myth of the Penile Orgasm.” But since my attendance here is subsidized by the esteemed distributor of a veritable reference library on mayhem and dirty tricks, I can’t just take the conch and go rogue. I will indeed mutilate the sacred cow which is libertarianism, as ordered, but I’ll administer a few hard lefts to the right in my own way. And I don’t mean the easy way. I could just point to the laissez-faire Trilateralism of the Libertarian Party, then leave and go look for a party. It doesn’t take long to say that if you fight fire with fire, you’ll get burned.

If that were all I came up with, somebody would up and say that the LP has lapsed from the libertarian faith, just as Christians have insisted that their behavior over the last 1900 years or so shouldn’t be held against Christianity. There are libertarians who try to retrieve libertarianism from the Libertarian Party just as there are Christians who try to reclaim Christianity from Christendom and communists (I’ve tried to myself) who try to save communism from the Communist parties and states. They (and I) meant well but we lost. Libertarianism is party-archist fringe-rightism just as socialism really is what Eastern European dissidents call “real socialism,” i.e., the real-life state-socialism of queues, quotas, corruption and coercion.

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know1

I could agree with much of the Libertarian agenda, but I couldn't vote for them due to their pro-abortion stance.

mammasan

know1 wrote:

I could agree with much of the Libertarian agenda, but I couldn't vote for them due to their pro-abortion stance.

Even if by voting Libertarian you would be supporting a reduction in the size and scope of the federal government. I respect the fact that you are pro-life but aren't there other more pressing issues facing our nation today that need immediate attention.

farfromglorified

know1 wrote:

I could agree with much of the Libertarian agenda, but I couldn't vote for them due to their pro-abortion stance.

What "pro-abortion" stance? Most Libertarians simply do not believe there should be laws against it. That doesn't mean they think abortion is morally right.

farfromglorified

Kenny Olav wrote:

Libertarians are anarchists with money.

Anarchists believe property is theft. Libertarians believe everything
is property.

Libertarians are bosses; anarchists work for them when they run out of other options.

Libertarians buy more guns, but anarchists use more ammo.

Libertarians ride in stretch limos; anarchists throw bricks through
their windshields.

Libertarians go shopping; anarchists go shoplifting.

Libertarians go to the police after they've been mugged; anarchists
get mugged by the police.

A libertarian wants to marry another libertarian, but only after
sleeping with enough anarchists.

Anarchists ignore the IRS; Libertarians hire accountants and attorneys
to fight them.

Libertarians think the government is trying steal the property they
rightfully own; anarchists think the government is trying to defend
property that nobody rightfully owns.

Libertarians are organized in a political party; anarchists aren't
organized in anything.

Anarchists ignore elections; Libertarians run for office, vote and
lose.

It's funny that anarchism has taken on such a silly definition in the last 150 years. I am an anarchist that has very few qualms about voting Libertarian.

cincybearcat

farfromglorified wrote:

What "pro-abortion" stance? Most Libertarians simply do not believe there should be laws against it. That doesn't mean they think abortion is morally right.

C'mon, that is simply a cop out. If you think it is murder, than you think it needs to be stopped. And you need a law to stop it. So, if you aren;t for a law against it...you are, for all practical purposes, for it.

I had forgotten about that issue with them.