Why are we putting age limits on the Morning After Pill?

decides2dream

blackredyellow wrote:

Only to play devil's advocate here, but doesn't a woman need a prescription to get the birth control pill or patch or whatever? And unless I am wrong, I think a minor can still get plan B if a doctor prescribes it.

That being said, I think that this is a good move to put it OTC...

sure she needs a prescription...but there is no age limit on such. that is all. it was my understanding from the thread starter that in fact they were not allowing accfess to such? that was the whole point. otherwise...carry on. haha. as long as there is access, all good.


btw - i think OTC would be taking it too far....even for BC pills. i think doctor/medical involvement in such issues is a good thing. important for a girls/womans health....etc. so i have no issue with that. my issue lies in denial of access to a girl based soely on her age, for a drug that is legal in this country, nothing more. i won't even get into the usual abortion debate stuff....b/c honestly...it's got nothing to do with it....and i for one and am happy to forego that circular discussion, ad nauseum.

blackredyellow

decides2dream wrote:

sure she needs a prescription...but there is no age limit on such. that is all. it was my understanding from the thread starter that in fact they were not allowing accfess to such? that was the whole point. otherwise...carry on. haha. as long as there is access, all good.


btw - i think OTC would be taking it too far....even for BC pills. i think doctor/medical involvement in such issues is a good thing. important for a girls/womans health....etc. so i have no issue with that. my issue lies in denial of access to a girl based soely on her age, for a drug that is legal in this country, nothing more. i won't even get into the usual abortion debate stuff....b/c honestly...it's got nothing to do with it....and i for one and am happy to forego that circular discussion, ad nauseum.

I think OTC for birtch control would be too far, as there are a lot of issues that can be caused with messing with hormones long term, but for the "morning after pill", I don't have a problem with it being OTC. I think that it could help some people avoid unwanted pregnancies who may not have the opportunity (or are too scared) to go to a doctor or planned parenthood.

decides2dream

blackredyellow wrote:

I think OTC for birtch control would be too far, as there are a lot of issues that can be caused with messing with hormones long term, but for the "morning after pill", I don't have a problem with it being OTC. I think that it could help some people avoid unwanted pregnancies who may not have the opportunity (or are too scared) to go to a doctor or planned parenthood.

yes, agreed on the first half. however, now i saw and read the link someone later provided. haha. ok then, it is still allowing access thru prescription for younger girls. the first post was a bit misleading, at least to me. so then, ok. i am fine with that. as long as they can get it when necessary, it's all good. i can sorta understand the rationale for that...you don't want a 14 year old girl self-medicating with an OTC EC pill.....could be harmful/unnecessary. i have no issue with them needing to see a doctor for a prescription, there are planned parenthoods all over. as long as ready access is available.

tybird

decides2dream wrote:

nonetheless...there should be no age restriction put on access to these pills. whether one considers them abortion or not is irrelevant. the subject is the age limit...and the question is: WHY? condoms may be sold to anyone, any age...no restrictions. a girl may go and buy BC pills, no age restriction. a girl may have a LEGAL abortion in this country, no age restriction. the EC pill is LEGAL. so then, WHY the age restriction? makes zero sense.

Questions: Is this pill to be considered over the counter (OTC) or will it's purchase require a doctor's prescription? Someone mentioned OTC which places it in a different legal prespective (U.S. Law) than Birth Control pills. I do believe that birth control pills are not OTC, they are prescription. Will an age limit apply to Doctor's orders if this new drug (for the U.S) is prescription??

tybird

blackredyellow wrote:

I think OTC for birtch control would be too far, as there are a lot of issues that can be caused with messing with hormones long term, but for the "morning after pill", I don't have a problem with it being OTC. I think that it could help some people avoid unwanted pregnancies who may not have the opportunity (or are too scared) to go to a doctor or planned parenthood.

Would the "morning after pill" also not create massive shifts in hormone production???

decides2dream

tybird wrote:

Questions: Is this pill to be considered over the counter (OTC) or will it's purchase require a doctor's prescription? Someone mentioned OTC which places it in a different legal prespective (U.S. Law) than Birth Control pills. I do believe that birth control pills are not OTC, they are prescription. Will an age limit apply to Doctor's orders if this new drug (for the U.S) is prescription??

see later posts. i misunderstood. i thought the initial thread-starter was suggesting access to said meds was illegal, not that simply they would require a prescription. i am a-ok with the needing of a prescription for one underage. so the issue is....the EC pill will be available to adult women over the age of 18 OTC, but those underage, still have access, but only with a prescription. again, i do agree with it. i do not want some 14 year old taking any drug without some medical supervision.

shiraz

decides2dream wrote:

yes, agreed on the first half. however, now i saw and read the link someone later provided. haha. ok then, it is still allowing access thru prescription for younger girls. the first post was a bit misleading, at least to me. so then, ok. i am fine with that. as long as they can get it when necessary, it's all good. i can sorta understand the rationale for that...you don't want a 14 year old girl self-medicating with an OTC EC pill.....could be harmful/unnecessary. i have no issue with them needing to see a doctor for a prescription, there are planned parenthoods all over. as long as ready access is available.

I don't agree with you. I find it VERY unfair that a 16 years old girl who was raped by her B/F, would have to make an appointment to a gynecologist and provide him some explinations in order to get that pill. I can't see a reason to put her or a 16 years old girl who got drunk and had un-protected sex in a position where they have to wait before getting this pill, like their current stressfull state isn't bad enough.

Don't know about the US, but in Israel only people with academic degree in pharmacology can sell drugs in a pharmacy / drugstore, hence they are able to provide the right judgement & med-knowledge in these kind of situations.

rightondude

Couldn't taking the birth control pill itself be considered an abortion? The egg was prevented from taking it's natural course. Those eggs are destined to be something. Where do we draw the line anymore? It's getting rediculous. We are prisoners even to each other now in our own supposedly "free" society.

Reminds me of the saying "you can't get anything for free anymore"

angelica

rightondude wrote:

Couldn't taking the birth control pill itself be considered an abortion? The egg was prevented from taking it's natural course. Those eggs are destined to be something. Where do we draw the line anymore? It's getting rediculous. We are prisoners even to each other now in our own supposedly "free" society.

Reminds me of the saying "you can't get anything for free anymore"

If you are free to make your own personal choice, how are you prisoner to someone else, exactly? You can choose what methods of birth control are within your ethical acceptance, therefore one would think others can choose as well, even if it includes making the choice to, for example, follow strict catholic methods. How does the choice of another affect you in this regard? Keep in mind that I'm speaking strictly regarding birth control and ethics as you mention and not legalities of the EC pill.

zelda4ever

heh heh pj.com+abortion pill=a thread?

rightondude

angelica wrote:

If you are free to make your own personal choice, how are you prisoner to someone else, exactly? You can choose what methods of birth control are within your ethical acceptance, therefore one would think others can choose as well, even if it includes making the choice to, for example, follow strict catholic methods. How does the choice of another affect you in this regard? Keep in mind that I'm speaking strictly regarding birth control and ethics as you mention and not legalities of the EC pill.

I see us all as prisoners to each other in the sense that how often do so many of us "police" our opinions on others and try to control others in general. It seems like today that it's all about eliminating or controlling those around us instead of accepting. The coining of the term "political correctness" is some bent form of gov't mind control no doubt. So hey watch all your P's and Q's everybody big brother is watching. "Do the right thing" - our right thing! They US govt has a 1-800 number to rat out everyone for something these days. Another form of societal fear control. People are getting sued for everything under the sun in the US. IT seems now we can't even trust each other anymore. People always judging everyone else with snide comments and looks, racism is getting worse, there's more war going on now more than ever. We are definitely going backwards it seems.

If we can manage to remove the crime element from society (i.e. ongoing societal gang funding v.s. legalization) we are 75% of the way there to a much more peaceful and happy planet imo.

Pearl Jam and toast

Because some people have sex-ed completely ass backwards.

Same concept behind "Oh god no! don't give them condoms!".

shiraz

rightondude wrote:

I see us all as prisoners to each other in the sense that how often do so many of us "police" our opinions on others and try to control others in general. It seems like today that it's all about eliminating or controlling those around us instead of accepting. The coining of the term "political correctness" is some bent form of gov't mind control no doubt. So hey watch all your P's and Q's everybody big brother is watching. "Do the right thing" - our right thing! They US govt has a 1-800 number to rat out everyone for something these days. Another form of societal fear control. People are getting sued for everything under the sun in the US. IT seems now we can't even trust each other anymore. People always judging everyone else with snide comments and looks, racism is getting worse, there's more war going on now more than ever. We are definitely going backwards it seems.

If we can manage to remove the crime element from society (i.e. ongoing societal gang funding v.s. legalization) we are 75% of the way there to a much more peaceful and happy planet imo.

shiraz wrote:

Don't know about the US, but in Israel only people with academic degree in pharmacology can sell drugs in a pharmacy / drugstore, hence they are able to provide the right judgement & med-knowledge in these kind of situations.

Can you please tell me how it works in the US?

angelica

rightondude wrote:

I see us all as prisoners to each other in the sense that how often do so many of us "police" our opinions on others and try to control others in general. It seems like today that it's all about eliminating or controlling those around us instead of accepting. The coining of the term "political correctness" is some bent form of gov't mind control no doubt. So hey watch all your P's and Q's everybody big brother is watching. "Do the right thing" - our right thing! They US govt has a 1-800 number to rat out everyone for something these days. Another form of societal fear control. People are getting sued for everything under the sun in the US. IT seems now we can't even trust each other anymore. People always judging everyone else with snide comments and looks, racism is getting worse, there's more war going on now more than ever. We are definitely going backwards it seems.

If we can manage to remove the crime element from society (i.e. ongoing societal gang funding v.s. legalization) we are 75% of the way there to a much more peaceful and happy planet imo.

What I see is that the mass majority of people live within the tribal mindset, whereupon one is essentially chained to the person next to them in some way. People are hooked to each other's behaviours and feel the need to judge, or to take the bait of judgment or other such "hooks". We strongly influence each other. And on the other side of it enlightenment refers to the state where one has escaped the chains of society, and yet ironically, one as a individual finds that ultimately all IS one, and therefore such a person feels voluntary connection and universal love towards everything.

My understanding of political correctness is that it stems from sensitivity awareness and extends from psychological or sociological study as a means of bridging gaps and differences. It leads us towards problem solving and away from ostracising those who are the minority. Tons of businesses implement such ideas in order to reap the benefit of connection over separation.

Pacomc79

shiraz wrote:

Can you please tell me how it works in the US?

same difference, they might have interns, but people with pharmacology degrees are behind every transaction.

shiraz

Pacomc79 wrote:

same difference, they might have interns, but people with pharmacology degrees are behind every transaction.

So why do these girls still need to see the doctor? It makes no sense. Clearly there's no "religious" problem (the drug is allowed), and there's no med-ethical problem (pharmacist can provide the right judgement & med-knowledge)...

Another question: If these girls are "under-age" (minor) and eventually have to see a doctor, does it means their parents are allowed to hear all the details about the case from their doctor, or there is still a doctor-patient privilege?