California may ban conventional lightbulbs by 2012

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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,824
    know1 wrote:
    Don't showers pose more of an energy threat than lightbulbs? What if there were legislation saying you could only take 1 per day and it couldn't be longer than 5 mins? I just think it's a slippery slope to start limiting people's energy use.

    I don't really see a parrallel......a new sort of light bulbs hardly puts anyone to detriment.....much different then limiting the duration of a showe, which, I agree would be crazy!
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Bans, prohibition etc are ridiculous and absurd, they completely go in the wrong direction.

    Why not give some kind of incentives for using conservation minded appliances, light bulbs, water fixtures etc?

    Bans are absolutely the wrong way to go.

    I love the conservationist sentiment, I hate the governments response.


    I just installed an ultra low flow shower head yesterday and I'll be doing the bulbs soon on my own, without any government mandate.

    If they want to change new building codes fine. That's probably an excellent idea. Change the new codes by 2012 and demand all lightbulbs; fixtures and appliances in new homes or businesses must be to some standard of efficiency.

    Don't ban them, strongly encourage the public, give incentives and inform them, then let the people drive the demand.


    Banning things is Facist and counterproductive.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
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    know1 wrote:
    We have those at work. I definitely flush them at least 3 times.

    You guys take big craps! :D I'm sorry I just couldn't resist adding a bit of goofiness into the afternoon. :p
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Banning things is Facist and counterproductive.

    That's a harsh statement.
    I think banning things can be salutary in certain conditions.
    Two examples :
    Buildings used to be built with asbestos (not sure of the name, but a heat-resistant mineral) until we discovered it was a serious threat to the health of people near those buildings. Building with asbestos was then banned, reducing the risk of lung cancer by x%.
    CFC's were banned if I recall, to the demise of the hole in the ozone layer.
    In both of the cases I fail to see how banning was counterproductive.
    If some products are believed to be a threat to public health, I think a ban is a right thing to consider. And some people actually believe global warming is a public health issue.
    The example with the seatbelt, I would agree. Because it only holds the life of the person in the car in jeopardy. But on larger scale issues it the life of populations that have to be considered.
    The average human person is not stupid, I think people actually know where to draw the line. Arguing that the next move will be the timing of the shower is like arguing a nice way to get rid of aids would be to hold sex without condoms illegal. It won't happen.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    We have those at work. I definitely flush them at least 3 times.

    Wow, you really must be full of shit.

    ;)
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Wow, you really must be full of shit.

    ;)

    Ha! Even funnier! :D
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  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    wal mart already stopped selling regular bulbs.

    the best part is.......america makes ZERO of the new bulbs, so they're importing the new bulbs which will cost americans jobs.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • fanch75
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    know1 wrote:
    We have those at work. I definitely flush them at least 3 times.

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  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    fanch75 wrote:
    If you stopped eating White Castles at lunchtime then you wouldn't have this problem


    mmm.......white castle.......beer.......
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jeffbr wrote:
    Or they don't like being forced.

    I always wore a seatbelt because it was the smart thing to do. When they passed the mandatory seatbelt law in my state I was pissed. Not because it was the right or smart thing to wear a seatbelt, but because the government, through force, demanded that I wear one.

    Same with helmet laws. I'm a rider. I wear a helmet. I do so not because the government forces me to.
    ...
    But, you were and are paying for the people who didn't wear seatbelts or helmets. The way it should be... your melon gets cracked because you dumped your bike and were foolish enough NOT wear a helmet... the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for your poor decision, right?
    As for the light bulbs... its the results that matter. Like the smoking ban... everyone hated it. But, now we all realize how nice it is to go to a restaurant and a bar in the evening and not wake up the next day with your clothes wreeking of stale cigarettes. The energy we save may help us to cut the overall energy bill as well as pollution.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Do I need to sell off my Sylvania stock?
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  • brain of c
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    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Do I need to sell off my Sylvania stock?

    asap.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You guys take big craps! :D I'm sorry I just couldn't resist adding a bit of goofiness into the afternoon. :p

    I was talking about the urinal. If you flush it once, it doesn't do much of anything. You have to flush three times for there to be clear water.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    I was talking about the urinal. If you flush it once, it doesn't do much of anything. You have to flush three times for there to be clear water.

    I think you're just seeing yellow.:D I can see you now, flush after flush cursing the big government liberals. :p
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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    In related news, California lawmaker introduces lightbulb that is powered by "granola...and a lot of hope"
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    But, you were and are paying for the people who didn't wear seatbelts or helmets. The way it should be... your melon gets cracked because you dumped your bike and were foolish enough NOT wear a helmet... the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for your poor decision, right?

    Totally agree. We should all be accountable for our actions. I shouldn't be held accountable for anyone's stupidity but my own. I shouldn't have to pay for fat people getting heart bypasses after eating their 15,000th big mac. I shouldn't have to pay for cancer treatments for someone who smokes like a chimney. I shouldn't have to pay for the idiot who doesn't wear a helmet.
    Cosmo wrote:
    As for the light bulbs... its the results that matter. Like the smoking ban... everyone hated it. But, now we all realize how nice it is to go to a restaurant and a bar in the evening and not wake up the next day with your clothes wreeking of stale cigarettes. The energy we save may help us to cut the overall energy bill as well as pollution.

    While I may be happy with the way my clothes smell after the smoking ban, I'm not happy the the smoking ban exists. I'm not happy that people accept government intrusion based on the promise of a downy fresh smell.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think you're just seeing yellow.:D I can see you now, flush after flush cursing the big government liberals. :p

    :) That is bound to get some funny looks in a crowded restroom.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes.
    If that's what they want, yes. Dueling should be completely legal.

    I think dueling is legal... the the part where you shoot the other person isn't :)
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think you're just seeing yellow.:D I can see you now, flush after flush cursing the big government liberals. :p

    ;) I'm usually cursing the other people who are too lazy or not bright enough to flush it enough times.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I think dueling is legal... the the part where you shoot the other person isn't :)

    Hehe....I guess you're right on that one.

    But hey, if someone understands what they're getting into and willingly chooses to do it, who am I to tell them that they're not allowed to have a good-old-fashioned duel??? Plus, it might thin out the morons a bit....

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