Obama will be the next president..

MrBrian

he would go with edwards as vice.

jammypearledved

LikeAnOcean wrote:

LMAO!.. I can't see Huckabee going anywhere.. I actually hope he gets the nom, so Obama is a sure winner.

well said. OBAMA = HOPE.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Yeah, if he doesn't get assassinated first. I had visions of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King last night when Obama was giving his victory speech. It's people like him who end up getting shot. I hope the secret service have added more protection for him after last night's victory. I hope I'm just being paranoid. But it's not like it's never happened before....

robbie

I would have thought Al Gore would be an ideal vice for Obama.... but he is selling CHANGE so hard that I cannot see him bringing in an 8 year vice president to Bill Clinton and still stand for change.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

macgyver06 wrote:

and his name is Huckabee

yeah, President Huckabee sounds pretty bad.

cornnifer

Eddie Better wrote:

Yeah, if he doesn't get assassinated first. I had visions of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King last night when Obama was giving his victory speech. It's people like him who end up getting shot. I hope the secret service have added more protection for him after last night's victory. I hope I'm just being paranoid. But it's not like it's never happened before....

i hate to admit i had the same creepy thought both last night and a couple nights earlier when i was priveleged to attend an event in Iowa. i simply love the guy. i keep thinking "finally! A leader. A true LEADER not just a politician." Then it hit me like a sack of shit. True leaders don't live very long. Living Colour started playing in my head "...Neon lights..."

The Waiting Trophy Man

cornnifer wrote:

i hate to admit i had the same creepy thought both last night and a couple nights earlier when i was priveleged to attend an event in Iowa. i simply love the guy. i keep thinking "finally! A leader. A true LEADER not just a politician." Then it hit me like a sack of shit. True leaders don't live very long. Living Colour started playing in my head "...Neon lights..."

He's definitely special. People like him don't come along very often. He's one of those rare leaders who can unite people from all backgrounds. He gives people hope. He's just like Kennedy and Martin Luther King. But we know how their lives ended, so it's definitely something to be concerned about.

t206

jammypearledved wrote:

well said. OBAMA = HOPE.

By hope do you mean more taxes, and some silly over regulated "universal health care" plan that is sure to fail?

ONCE DEVIDED

USA will not have a black president yet. Too many rednecks/racists for that. The far right still have too much pull and I reckon you will vote in Huckabee.
that is unless REAL AMERICANS PUT THEIR HAND UP AND VOTE.
otherwise the religous right will take another Republican who reckons god talks directly to him
Im an australian and religon is starting to gather more political milage here as well.
Scary days

Fighting Hellfish

Ebizzie wrote:

Huckabee is a baptist minister. I'm no theologian, but I believe baptists are fairly liberal when it comes to many social issues, much more liberal than say catholics, mormons, or evangelicals.

The guy seems pretty genuine to me. If the general election were Obama vs. Huckabee, I'd have a hell of a time choosing. Unless, of course, my main man RP is running as a 3rd party candidate, then the decision is easy.

He does seem like a likable guy. Losing 100 pounds or so can't hurt either. But I didn't make the 6000 year old planet thing up. I think it was a debate, one of the 1st debates, where he was asked about that.

Here are a few links that I could find quickly. I'll look for a few more that are more solid

http://notesfromatransitionalfossil.blogspot.com/2007/08/evolution-of-mike-huckabee.html

Bill Maher: Why shouldn't it be part of a political discussion? If someone believes that the earth is 6000 years old, when every scientist in the world tells us it's billions of years old, why shouldn't I take that into account when I'm assessing the rationality of someone I'm going to put into the highest office in the land?

Huckabee had no cogent answer; he said that the point was that "we don't know."


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071211061757AA4YKnh

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17324246/matt_taibbi_on_mike_huckabee_our_favorite_rightwing_nut_job

But Huckabee is also something else: full-blown nuts, a Christian goofball of the highest order. He believes the Earth may be only 6,000 years old, angrily rejects the evidence that human beings evolved from "primates" and thinks America wouldn't need so much Mexican labor if we allowed every aborted *fetus to grow up and enter the workforce. To top it off, Huckabee also left behind a record of ethical missteps in the swamp of *Arkansas politics that make White*water seem like a jaywalking ticket.

Fighting Hellfish

Uncle Leo wrote:

No Carl Everett (Former ballplayer who said ""God created the sun, the stars, the heavens and the earth, and then made Adam and Eve. The Bible never says anything about dinosaurs. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them. Somebody actually saw Adam and Eve. No one ever saw a Tyrannosaurus rex.") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Everett

The same Carl Everett who had his daughters taken away from him while playing for the Mets due to abuse

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1997/08/09/1997-08-09_mets_outfielder_accused_of_s.html

Fighting Hellfish

Pacomc79 wrote:

What if he picked Ron Paul as a running mate?

That'd be interesting. Liberal morals, conservative economics..... hmm.

not saying this would happen... but it'd be interesting.


I just wonder how long before the hillary camp gillooly's the Obama team ala Bush Rove to McCain in the SC primary 2000.

Ahhh, good one. I wonder what would have happend if McCain accepted Kerry's VP offer? That vote was mighty close and you have to figure McCain would have brought more votes to Kerry than Edwards did.
I have a feeling Hillary will try to drag Obama thru the mud and she will be the one who ends up looking dirty. It still amazes me to this day that:

1. The "McCain has a black bastard baby" deal didn't 100% backfire on Bush

2. Just 4 short years later, McCain is on stage at the Republican Convention hugging Bush. I always liked McCain, but I lost a lot of respect for him that night. The respect I had left for him was gone when he buddied up with the same religious right wackos he had said for years were very dangerous

t206

Surprise, Obama is a crook just like the rest of DC

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicia...liticians-2007

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

MrBrian

t206 wrote:

Surprise, Obama is a crook just like the rest of DC

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicia...liticians-2007

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

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Mental Block

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

USA will not have a black president yet. Too many rednecks/racists for that. The far right still have too much pull and I reckon you will vote in Huckabee.
that is unless REAL AMERICANS PUT THEIR HAND UP AND VOTE.
otherwise the religous right will take another Republican who reckons god talks directly to him
Im an australian and religon is starting to gather more political milage here as well.
Scary days

Do you think the rednecks and racists were going to vote for anyone other than a Republican regardless of the Democratic candidate's skin colour?

JD Sal wrote:

Not sure about party nominees, but Woodward said on CNN tonight that 3 of the last 4 presidents have not won Iowa - Regan, Bush Sr, and Clinton. Clinton actually had something like 3% in Iowa.

Clinton got 3% because he didn't campaign there. Tom Harkin was one of the people running against him and at the time he was a very popular Senator of Iowa, which made it an almost pointless battle.

Mental Block

t206 wrote:

Surprise, Obama is a crook just like the rest of DC

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicia...liticians-2007

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

That's so unspecific and underexplained it hurts. Which companies specifically, and what are the details? How involved in what particular real estate deal? The sentence "nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office" reeks of bias, since it isn't exactly corruption to, for example, take a call about your campaign in there. I checked the site and look at this:

"Judicial Watch, Inc., a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law."

Now there's an odd little contradiction in terms. Do you think that might have anything to do with the "most corrupt" list being filled with high profile Democrats like Clinton, Reid, Pelosi and Obama? They also don't mention the bill he cosponsored with Tom Coburn, a strong achievement for a first-term senator, which significantly increases transparency in federal funding?

Here's the wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountability_and_Transparency_Act_of_2006

Here's the bill itself:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:S.2590:

Here's the website that came about as a result:
http://www.usaspending.gov/

LikeAnOcean

t206 wrote:

Surprise, Obama is a crook just like the rest of DC

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicia...liticians-2007

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

Is that like a Letterman top 10 list? Who were the judges, writers from Maxim magazine? Rolling Stone???

t206 wrote:

Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.

So, like the phone rang and it ended up being one of his campaign advisors with a quick question while a douchebag conservative snoop happened to be in the office. God have mercy on Obama's soul.

DixieN

Obama's got a good chance at the presidency, but Hillary's definitely not out of the running. Bill Clinton got a 3% in '92 and went on to take the whole Big Mac with extra fries, a shake AND an apple pie. So, Hillary at 29% is hardly dead in the water. Huckabee's views are too extreme for mainstream America. We are not a theocracy; and, I don't see us becoming one anytime in the near future. This means Romney or Giuliani are the best things the Republicans have currently got, and neither of them is terribly compelling. On top of it all, people are sick and tired of GW and the fine pickle he's gotten us into, so I doubt they'll want more of the same for another 4 - 8 years. My prediction is either Hillary or Obama. I'd be happy with either--and happier yet if they'd team up (fat chance, but I can still Hope). (I love the way Obama has appropriated Hope for his campaign (smart!)...I see to remember another man from Hope, Arkansas that pulled the same schtick rather well before Barack.)

Mental Block

DixieN wrote:

Obama's got a good chance at the presidency, but Hillary's definitely not out of the running. Bill Clinton got a 3% in '92 and went on to take the whole Big Mac with extra fries, a shake AND an apple pie. So, Hillary at 29% is hardly dead in the water.

See my post above as to why the Iowa situation then and now is far different. I'm not saying in any way she's dead in the water, but it's a false comparison nevertheless.

kenny olav

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

USA will not have a black president yet. Too many rednecks/racists for that.

i totally disagree. i think racism has been rapidly dying in america and has one foot in the grave. xenophobia is another issue. but racism alone could not defeat barack obama or any other black candidate. i am actually 100% positive about that.