Vote with your heart, but..

NMyTree

Obama's already won. He's been penciled-in for a long time, now.

Unless we the people make some drastic changes in the way this country's run and in the voting/election process; the president will always be picked by other interests and infleunces. Not by the american people.

know1

inmytree wrote:

fair enough...

perspective is important...you have yours and I have mine...I suppose choosing not to vote is fine...but just don't complain if things don't go your way...

I think that if you choose not to vote because there is no candidate available that represents your views, then you still have a right to complain. I mean, I could go vote for myself for president, I suppose, and then I could complain all I want, right?

fuck

NMyTree wrote:

Obama's already won. He's been penciled-in for a long time, now.

Unless we the people make some drastic changes in the way this country's run and in the voting/election process; the president will always be picked by other interests and infleunces. Not by the american people.

If you don't mind me asking, who are you voting for?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I still like Jesse Ventura's idea of a "no confidence" option on the ballot.

I think every country should have that actually...

awesome idea.

It's like saying..."no I didn't just forget to vote...and this election was a pretty much a failure to adequately represent"

woohoo...let's go again!

my2hands

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Nothing wrong with voting for Nader, just understand atleast 3/4 of the population do not agree with him even when informed.

i consider myself somewhat "informed" and i am not voting for Nader, and never have either... so you make a good point.

nothing wrong with voting for nader... but trying to paint Obama as some war mongering mcbush clone is just silly and it really isnt working for nader or his camp either

my2hands

NMyTree wrote:

Obama's already won. He's been penciled-in for a long time, now.

Unless we the people make some drastic changes in the way this country's run and in the voting/election process; the president will always be picked by other interests and infleunces. Not by the american people.

9 months ago the conspiracy crowd was saying the same thing about Hillary Clinton.. that she was penciled in

what you just witnessed my friend was democracy in action... obama was running in single digits 9 months ago and Clinton was "undefeatable" .... and now Obama is about to hopefully win in November against a very popluar long term Senator and former POW

RainDog

know1 wrote:

Maybe so, but what would happen if they held an election and nobody showed up? Now that would force some change - considering all I hear the lemmings squealing about is "change, change, change". (change of fools?)

Then each candidate and their VP would vote for their own ticket, and members of Congress would vote for themselves and which ever top ticket team they like the best. In the result of a tie, Congress would vote again and again until they reached a deal. Since there are no turn-out requirements in the Constitution, the end result would be completely legal.

We would definately get change. Probably not for the best, though.

inmytree

know1 wrote:

I think that if you choose not to vote because there is no candidate available that represents your views, then you still have a right to complain. I mean, I could go vote for myself for president, I suppose, and then I could complain all I want, right?

you mean out of this list of people running you can't find anyone who represents your views...?

http://www.votesmart.org/election_president_search.php?type=alpha

know1

inmytree wrote:

you mean out of this list of people running you can't find anyone who represents your views...?

http://www.votesmart.org/election_president_search.php?type=alpha

That's quite a list. Obviously, I haven't taken the time to investigate each of their views, but if they don't match mine 100% - at least on issues that I consider non-negotiable - then I could not vote for them.

inmytree

know1 wrote:

That's quite a list. Obviously, I haven't taken the time to investigate each of their views, but if they don't match mine 100% - at least on issues that I consider non-negotiable - then I could not vote for them.

you're a hard one to please...;)


I bet you were a bridezilla....he he....(seriously, I hope everything went well)

angelica

LikeAnOcean wrote:

..like someone here mentioned, understand the winner will and always will be the one who compromises.. There's going to be a lot of things you don't agree with them about. They are going to kiss a lot of ass. They are going to say a lot of things they don't follow through with.. but that's the nature of politics. For every opinion, there's an opposite opinion, a vote that is going to be needed to make it to the White House..

Nothing wrong with voting for Nader, but understand he will never make it to the White House.. and you can argue and say "well with that type of thinking he never will." and I'll say if you want a little, you're going to have to give up a little..

Which is why Obama will be the next president.


Unless you are willing to compromise your opinions, the White House will never be run by you..


Sadly, I think I hear more reasons why not to vote for Obama than I hear reasons to vote for Nader.


Like I said, if you believe in Nader, vote for him. Endorse him. Preach him, and be proud of it, but don't question other peoples reasons for voting for Obama.

The boys in Pearl Jam are smart guys. They are well informed, have a good understanding of politics and their own reasons.

My thought of the day.

The person who will be the next president is going to be the one who will naturally resonate the most with the people. He will truly be representative of the people. Period. That's why the American people will be exactly held to account for this new, up and coming leader, as for current/last one.

If he compromises to get there, that's one thing. If he compromises his ideals to get there that's another thing.

The energies are what they are, no matter how we rationalize our personal views.

I continue to encourage people to do they only thing they can: be as true to themselves as is possible in their life-choices, including voting, or not voting.

know1

inmytree wrote:

you're a hard one to please...;)


I bet you were a bridezilla....he he....(seriously, I hope everything went well)

The wedding went perfectly. Thanks!

(and I was a groomzilla! )

angelica

know1 wrote:

The wedding went perfectly. Thanks!

(and I was a groomzilla! )

Hey! Congratulations! Best wishes!!

decides2dream

know1 wrote:

That's quite a list. Obviously, I haven't taken the time to investigate each of their views, but if they don't match mine 100% - at least on issues that I consider non-negotiable - then I could not vote for them.

have you EVER, honestly, had a candidate who 100% agreed with your views...even the 'important' ones? it is a serious question.


i most definitely have had candidates come close....but there's always something that doesn't mesh for me 100%. however, i do have my 'big issues'...and certain things no way could i support, but overall, i can be rather flexible in other areas if i deem it for the greater good, overall.



however, i absolutely 100% agree that it would be ludicrous to vote for a canddidate who did no align with your views in any way, and/or simply b/c it seems they will win. that is an idea with all kinds of bad written on it.


i also do not think obama has it in the bag, done deal, foregone conclusion, etc. not by a long shot. i have my hopes of course, but i have ben burned by over-confidence in the political arena in the past, so yea.....always a much more cautious optimist.

know1

decides2dream wrote:

have you EVER, honestly, had a candidate who 100% agreed with your views...even the 'important' ones? it is a serious question.


i most definitely have had candidates come close....but there's always something that doesn't mesh for me 100%. however, i do have my 'big issues'...and certain things no way could i support, but overall, i can be rather flexible in other areas if i deem it for the greater good, overall.



however, i absolutely 100% agree that it would be ludicrous to vote for a canddidate who did no align with your views in any way, and/or simply b/c it seems they will win. that is an idea with all kinds of bad written on it.


i also do not think obama has it in the bag, done deal, foregone conclusion, etc. not by a long shot. i have my hopes of course, but i have ben burned by over-confidence in the political arena in the past, so yea.....always a much more cautious optimist.

I'm not holding out for a candidate who agrees 100% with all my views, but my biggest problem is that some of the non-negotiable views I hold are on very opposite ends of the political spectrum. I'm sort of willing to vote for a candidate I disagree with on the small stuff.

And besides all that, which politician can you actually trust to represent their own views after they are in office?

know1

angelica wrote:

Hey! Congratulations! Best wishes!!

Thanks!