please conspiracy debunkers, answer this,...

sonicreducer

all other bands away. i changed this, but don't know how to erase a thread. i wanted to ask some questions, but don't think it was worded well enough. ill post it later. sorry for the waste.

jlew24asu

pearl jam blows. haha thats funny. good cover up.

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

1. eyewitnesses reported seeing wreckage over 8 miles away from the crash site of flight 93. how could this be possible if the plane crashed the way it was alleged to have crashed in the official story?

Try hurling a raw egg at a wall as hard as you can. See what happens.

Regardless, this is not extraordinary. Plane crashes rarely leave a neat pile of debris. In early 2001 there was a commuter jet crash that killed 10 people in Colorado. Debris from that plane was found over a mile away from the crash site. Payne Stewart's plane that crashed a few years ago left almost zero debris when it crashed pretty much nose-down -- much of the plane simply vaporized.

The black box from Flight 93 was recovered 25 feet into the ground. Do you understand the amount of force we're talking about here?

2. one of the highjackers' passports survived the crash into the world trade center, escaped the fires, escaped the fall, and wound up in the FBI's hands. why do you believe that? how could the black box, which is designed to survive a crash, not survive and the passport do survive?

I don't have any reason to disbelieve it. Obviously plenty of things survived that crash. Two kittens survived that collapse and were found nearly starved in the rubble pile. Part of an $11 million stock of cash in an 11th floor vault survived the crash. It seems a bit much, for sure, but not impossible.

ill stick to just these two questions for now,...

You might try the search button. Both of those questions have been asked dozens of times on this board in the last few months alone.

sonicreducer

ffg, i tried to delete that before you got to it,...

jlew24asu

farfromglorified wrote:

Try hurling a raw egg at a wall as hard as you can. See what happens.

Regardless, this is not extraordinary. Plane crashes rarely leave a neat pile of debris. In early 2001 there was a commuter jet crash that killed 10 people in Colorado. Debris from that plane was found over a mile away from the crash site. Payne Stewart's plane that crashed a few years ago left almost zero debris when it crashed pretty much nose-down -- much of the plane simply vaporized.

The black box from Flight 93 was recovered 25 feet into the ground. Do you understand the amount of force we're talking about here?



I don't have any reason to disbelieve it. Obviously plenty of things survived that crash. Two kittens survived that collapse and were found nearly starved in the rubble pile. Part of an $11 million stock of cash in an 11th floor vault survived the crash. It seems a bit much, for sure, but not impossible.



You might try the search button. Both of those questions have been asked dozens of times on this board in the last few months alone.

you must have caught his question before he edited?? i didnt. but damn that was a great response

sonicreducer

an egg is not a 757.

stewart was in a lear jet, not a 757. if you say most of the plane was vaporized, why was an engine found more than 2000 feet away? how could some pieces bounce 8 miles away, and the rest vaporize? im not saying i don't believe you. i just can't comprehend it.

Id love to see the link about the cats and the cash. and yes, that is rather miraculous. but im sure those two cats and the money didn't come in on the plane that was flying 500 mph. if it burned hot enough to weaken such a tremendous structure as the world trade center, it just seems highly unlikely (or unbelievably ironic) that a form of laminated paper survived; especially since the FBI just so happened to find it and use it as evidence.

jlew24asu

sonicreducer wrote:

an egg is not a 757.

stewart was in a lear jet, not a 757. if you say most of the plane was vaporized, why was an engine found more than 2000 feet away? how could some pieces bounce 8 miles away, and the rest vaporize? im not saying i don't believe you. i just can't comprehend it.

Id love to see the link about the cats and the cash. and yes, that is rather miraculous. but im sure those two cats and the money didn't come in on the plane that was flying 500 mph. if it burned hot enough to weaken such a tremendous structure as the world trade center, it just seems highly unlikely (or unbelievably ironic) that a form of laminated paper survived; especially since the FBI just so happened to find it and use it as evidence.

I have never seen proof of debris being found 8 miles away. will the consiracy people say that government is hiding it?

dkst0426

The bit about the passport is a lot like how stuff at the bottom of a burn pile manages to remain unscathed even after hours of burning at the top of the pile. It's not unusual.

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

an egg is not a 757.

And your arm speed ain't 400 miles per hour.

Look, a jet is made out of aluminum. It's hollow and made to flex. It's made light. What do you expect to happen when a jet hurtles into the ground full-throttle in a deliberate crash? Should it just skid and get a few scratches like some bullshit out of Con Air?

stewart was in a lear jet, not a 757. if you say most of the plane was vaporized, why was an engine found more than 2000 feet away? how could some pieces bounce 8 miles away, and the rest vaporize? im not saying i don't believe you. i just can't comprehend it.

It's physics, man. How can a tornado destroy one home while leaving the next one nearly untouched? It's the same question with the same answer. Forces, reactions and conditions. When a tornado destroys yet another mobile home community while just missing the ritzy town down the street, how come we don't accuse our government of steering the tornado because of those "weird coincidences"?

Id love to see the link about the cats and the cash. and yes, that is rather miraculous. but im sure those two cats and the money didn't come in on the plane that was flying 500 mph. if it burned hot enough to weaken such a tremendous structure as the world trade center, it just seems highly unlikely (or unbelievably ironic) that a form of laminated paper survived; especially since the FBI just so happened to find it and use it as evidence.

Of course it's unlikely! But the FBI still somehow managed to convince people that the other terrorists were guilty without recovering their passports. Furthermore, a rather unlikely event is pretty stupid to stage. Think about it for a second. If you're going to stage such an event just rent apartments in these guys' names and fill them with terrorist propaganda. Then have your plane crash, pull their names off the manifest, investigate those same apartments and say "look what we found!!!" Not only is that less questionnable, but it's actually better evidence than a half-burnt passport.

Abookamongstthemany

farfromglorified wrote:

Of course it's unlikely! But the FBI still somehow managed to convince people that the other terrorists were guilty without recovering their passports. Furthermore, a rather unlikely event is pretty stupid to stage. Think about it for a second. If you're going to stage such an event just rent apartments in these guys' names and fill them with terrorist propaganda. Then have your plane crash, pull their names off the manifest, investigate those same apartments and say "look what we found!!!" Not only is that less questionnable, but it's actually better evidence than a half-burnt passport.

Sloppy work. Your post does take away from the point so many make about the admin being a little less than bright so they couldn't possibily pull it off.

farfromglorified

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Sloppy work. Your post does take away from the point so many make about the admin being a little less than bright so they couldn't possibily pull it off.

A stupid person doesn't invent a "magic passport" cover. A stupid person has no cover.

sonicreducer

jlew24asu wrote:

I have never seen proof of debris being found 8 miles away. will the consiracy people say that government is hiding it?

the debris was little more than burned papers and trash, contrary to what i thought beforehand.

there are a lot of articles that say the same thing. it was only things the wind could have carried. that piece: debunked. some other things still seem sketchy when you read the eyewitness accounts and what some of them were told by gov't officials. like, don't talk about what happened here.

here's one,...
http://www.flight93crash.com/index.html

Abookamongstthemany

farfromglorified wrote:

A stupid person doesn't invent a "magic passport" cover. A stupid person has no cover.

Stupid people can often produce stupid ideas.

farfromglorified

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Stupid people can often produce stupid ideas.

Most certainly.

LBC1076

So the people that have questions and doubts about all the events that happened that day are stupid?

Abookamongstthemany

LBC1076 wrote:

So the people that have questions and doubts about all the events that happened that day are stupid?

Appparently, we all have to think the same here to be considered bright.

Abookamongstthemany

farfromglorified wrote:

Most certainly.

And arrogant people are blind the fact that they do it, as well.

sonicreducer

farfromglorified wrote:

And your arm speed ain't 400 miles per hour

it's pretty close though. back in 82, i could throw a pigskin a quarter-mile.

farfromglorified wrote:

Look, a jet is made out of aluminum. It's hollow and made to flex. It's made light. What do you expect to happen when a jet hurtles into the ground full-throttle in a deliberate crash?

i guess what happened to flight 93.

farfromglorified wrote:

Forces, reactions and conditions.

forces, reactions, and conditions. it's just a little hard to believe, naturally. to make it even worse, a lot of people disagree with the official explanation. and to make it really, really bad,... this fucking bush/cheney/rummy thing. they are so crooked. i wouldn't think twice that they didn't orchestrate it. you can't say they don't look suspicious. just look at their ugly asses.

farfromglorified wrote:

Of course it's unlikely! But the FBI still somehow managed to convince people that the other terrorists were guilty without recovering their passports. Furthermore, a rather unlikely event is pretty stupid to stage. Think about it for a second. If you're going to stage such an event just rent apartments in these guys' names and fill them with terrorist propaganda. Then have your plane crash, pull their names off the manifest, investigate those same apartments and say "look what we found!!!" Not only is that less questionnable, but it's actually better evidence than a half-burnt passport.

so misleading, misinforming, lying,... that is suppose to make it easier for us to believe our crooked as gov't and their explanation?

i've spent too much time wondering and speculating about this shit. im done,... fuck it

farfromglorified

LBC1076 wrote:

So the people that have questions and doubts about all the events that happened that day are stupid?

No.

farfromglorified

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And arrogant people are blind the fact that they do it, as well.

Most certainly.

LBC1076

farfromglorified wrote:

No.

Oh, then just the ones who question it here?