Tax Time. Or not.
DarkStar
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whatever the truth is...effectively, if you don't follow the supposed law...you lose. so i pay. what do you do?
ds
whatever the truth is...effectively, if you don't follow the supposed law...you lose. so i pay. what do you do?
ds
And no one sings me lullabyes
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
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The IRS has failed to provide any Law in writing which fits the parameters of the 16th Amendment, for over 30 years.
That alone tells you all you need to know.
If there was such a Law, the IRS, the US Government would have it plastered on the front page of every newspaper across the country, a copy shown on every TV at the beginning of every News Program and a copy mailed to every home.
It doesn't exist. That's why they have failed to produce it.
Not withstanding the fact that the Federal Govt doesn't spend our tax dollars wisely, do you think its would be right to accept government services if you didn't pay taxes?
No. But there are very few thinks which should be federal government services. And there shouldn't be an income tax. Wages we earn are not profits. They are exchanged for labor we provide.
IN your opinion, how should our various governments get funds to operate?
Before 1913 we didn't have a federal income tax, and yet we somehow became the most prosperous country in the world without one. We should eliminate or privatize most functions of government. For people who do use services it should be pay to play.
do you think privatizing police, military and all schools will work?
imagine if kids had to pay an admission fee to play on a jungle gym at the local park?
i hate how our govt allocates our taxes, and the way that so little money actually goes to providing the actual services, but, the govt will always have to administer certain functions.
I'm with you. Hopefully in our life time April 15th will be just another day.
You're confusing Local Tax with Federal Income Tax.
The US Government is not in the business of building Jungle Gyms and so forth. Usually, that falls into the Local Tax pool and donations from local citizens.
Work for what? Work for who? The police, military, and schools don't work for me now.
Or imagine the much more realistic alternative of parents coming together and collectively funding a local park based on their own discretion and interests.
"Always"? "Have to"? Or what?
I'm going to say no...but why not ask the 44 million Americans who now pay no federal income tax?
The US National Park Service has an annual budget of $16,500,000,000. Some of that is certainly used for Jungle Gyms.
If the Federal Government used that for jungle gyms, that would hardly be enough for them to buy one.
BTW, wages certainly should be profits for you. Otherwise, why would you exchange your labor for them?
They may very well build a Jungle Gym at a National Park, but they're not paying for or building Jungle Gyms across the street or down on the corner from me or you. Unless you happen to live in or nearby to a National Park.
I'm talking local, here. Not national Parks.
~Ron Burgundy
Fair enough. But Federal funds to the tune of about $200 / taxpayer are used every year for those parks, and those parks are typically local to someone. The intent is definitely different, however.
Hehe...depends on what you mean. You can start here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/
I disagree.
Wages are compensation for services rendered or work performed. A fair and equal exchange.
If you manufactor a product and sell it at a price which brings back the cost of research/development, parts, labor and production, packaging and shipping; as well as monetary gain above those costs, then that is a profit.
Certainly a corporation should and needs to make some tax free profit to survive and continue to exist.
If you want to argue that certain occupations retrieve an exuberant amount of compensation, well above reasonable compensation for services rendered or work performed; then I'm with you on that.
Baseball players earning a wage of 22 million a year can probably be considered to fit into that catagory.
If I manufacture labor, and sell it at a price higher than its value to me then there is a profit. You may certainly labor for zero or negative profit -- simply demand a wage that is exactly at or below the value of your own labor, to you. Why you would do that is absolutely beyond me, but it's an option. My point does not apply only to baseball players.
If labor and a wage for that labor were a zero-profit exchange, the fact of the matter is that you would be able to acquire exactly the same value from not working for that wage than you would from working for it. So why would you work for a wage????
There's a big difference between the two.
Hehe...as a business owner I am "compensated" for my products. Do I not profit?
There's a "big difference" only in the fact that "profit" is evil, in some people's worlds, and god knows that something millions of average Joes and Janes do could never be evil, right?
I didn't say it did. I simply submitted an example.
Physicians, CEOs, Dentists, Therapists, construction workers, electricians, Rock Stars...what ever.
My point is, that an argument can made that at some point in an individuals compensation for services rendered or work performed; if the compensation exceeds certain price points- it can be percieved as "profit".
But then you have market value or the going salary for any given occupation.......supply and demand?
How would you define what is an exuberent compensation for services rendered or work performed? Where would you draw the line of fair/equal......to "profit"?
Incorrect. You are making some gross assumptions and coming to some inaccurate conclusions regarding my opinion and stance on this issue.
Did you not read the part where I said ....
" Certainly a corporation should and needs to make some tax free profit to survive and continue to exist."
You are compensated for your cost to produce that product, when your cash return on that product pays you back the amount you spent. Anything above that cost is profit.
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Umm...what if the military is a primary cause of that invasion?
Yep...one day I may. One day I may not. Do I have no right to evaluate that on my own, or do you have the right to make that decision for me?
Then no playground. Seems pretty straightforward.
thanks
~Ron Burgundy
SEEMS AS IF YOU WANT AN EVERY-MAN-FOR-HIMSELF SOCIETY.
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