Tax Time. Or not.

DarkStar
DarkStar Posts: 734
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
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whatever the truth is...effectively, if you don't follow the supposed law...you lose. so i pay. what do you do?

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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    There is no law.

    The IRS has failed to provide any Law in writing which fits the parameters of the 16th Amendment, for over 30 years.

    That alone tells you all you need to know.

    If there was such a Law, the IRS, the US Government would have it plastered on the front page of every newspaper across the country, a copy shown on every TV at the beginning of every News Program and a copy mailed to every home.

    It doesn't exist. That's why they have failed to produce it.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I pay. I pay against my will. I pay because my government coerces me to. I pay because of threat of violence for non-payment.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    jeffbr wrote:
    I pay. I pay against my will. I pay because my government coerces me to. I pay because of threat of violence for non-payment.

    Not withstanding the fact that the Federal Govt doesn't spend our tax dollars wisely, do you think its would be right to accept government services if you didn't pay taxes?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Not withstanding the fact that the Federal Govt doesn't spend our tax dollars wisely, do you think its would be right to accept government services if you didn't pay taxes?

    No. But there are very few thinks which should be federal government services. And there shouldn't be an income tax. Wages we earn are not profits. They are exchanged for labor we provide.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    jeffbr wrote:
    No. But there are very few thinks which should be federal government services. And there shouldn't be an income tax. Wages we earn are not profits. They are exchanged for labor we provide.

    IN your opinion, how should our various governments get funds to operate?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    IN your opinion, how should our various governments get funds to operate?

    Before 1913 we didn't have a federal income tax, and yet we somehow became the most prosperous country in the world without one. We should eliminate or privatize most functions of government. For people who do use services it should be pay to play.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    jeffbr wrote:
    Before 1913 we didn't have a federal income tax, and yet we somehow became the most prosperous country in the world without one. We should eliminate or privatize most functions of government. For people who do use services it should be pay to play.

    do you think privatizing police, military and all schools will work?

    imagine if kids had to pay an admission fee to play on a jungle gym at the local park?

    i hate how our govt allocates our taxes, and the way that so little money actually goes to providing the actual services, but, the govt will always have to administer certain functions.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    http://www.fairtax.org Make April 15th it just another day.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    http://www.fairtax.org Make April 15th it just another day.


    I'm with you. Hopefully in our life time April 15th will be just another day.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    do you think privatizing police, military and all schools will work?

    imagine if kids had to pay an admission fee to play on a jungle gym at the local park?

    i hate how our govt allocates our taxes, and the way that so little money actually goes to providing the actual services, but, the govt will always have to administer certain functions.

    You're confusing Local Tax with Federal Income Tax.

    The US Government is not in the business of building Jungle Gyms and so forth. Usually, that falls into the Local Tax pool and donations from local citizens.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Fight the good fight jeffbr. Bravo.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    do you think privatizing police, military and all schools will work?

    Work for what? Work for who? The police, military, and schools don't work for me now.
    imagine if kids had to pay an admission fee to play on a jungle gym at the local park?

    Or imagine the much more realistic alternative of parents coming together and collectively funding a local park based on their own discretion and interests.
    i hate how our govt allocates our taxes, and the way that so little money actually goes to providing the actual services, but, the govt will always have to administer certain functions.

    "Always"? "Have to"? Or what?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Not withstanding the fact that the Federal Govt doesn't spend our tax dollars wisely, do you think its would be right to accept government services if you didn't pay taxes?

    I'm going to say no...but why not ask the 44 million Americans who now pay no federal income tax?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    NMyTree wrote:
    You're confusing Local Tax with Federal Income Tax.

    The US Government is not in the business of building Jungle Gyms and so forth. Usually, that falls into the Local Tax pool and donations from local citizens.

    The US National Park Service has an annual budget of $16,500,000,000. Some of that is certainly used for Jungle Gyms.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The US National Park Service has an annual budget of $16,500,000,000. Some of that is certainly used for Jungle Gyms.

    If the Federal Government used that for jungle gyms, that would hardly be enough for them to buy one.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jeffbr wrote:
    Wages we earn are not profits. They are exchanged for labor we provide.

    BTW, wages certainly should be profits for you. Otherwise, why would you exchange your labor for them?
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The US National Park Service has an annual budget of $16,500,000,000. Some of that is certainly used for Jungle Gyms.

    They may very well build a Jungle Gym at a National Park, but they're not paying for or building Jungle Gyms across the street or down on the corner from me or you. Unless you happen to live in or nearby to a National Park.

    I'm talking local, here. Not national Parks.
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    do we have access to see where all the taxes collected are being spent?
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    NMyTree wrote:
    They may very well build a Jungle Gym at a National Park, but they're not paying for or building Jungle Gyms across the street or down on the corner from me or you. Unless you happen to live in or nearby to a National Park.

    I'm talking local, here. Not national Parks.

    Fair enough. But Federal funds to the tune of about $200 / taxpayer are used every year for those parks, and those parks are typically local to someone. The intent is definitely different, however.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    sonicreducer wrote:
    do we have access to see where all the taxes collected are being spent?

    Hehe...depends on what you mean. You can start here:

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/

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