Presidents do not make policy!!!!!
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They provide leadership.
why are we preoccupied with their policies or their economic plans? Congress can work on policies and laws.. the people can participate in that.
We need leadership in that position. Thats all.. the whole republican democrat thing is silly in choosing a president.. unless of course you republicans claim W as your model
why are we preoccupied with their policies or their economic plans? Congress can work on policies and laws.. the people can participate in that.
We need leadership in that position. Thats all.. the whole republican democrat thing is silly in choosing a president.. unless of course you republicans claim W as your model
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Why do you think all those Democrats who oppose the war now voted for it in the first place? Bush had a highly favorable rating at the time and was able to make it politically neccesary for Congress to give him what he wanted.
Presidents can effect policy, if they have enough leverage. 9/11 gave GWB all kinds leverage out the asshole.
for the least they could possibly do
yes yes, they have a big impact.. but they don't develop policy. they don't intorduce it...
so why we have to muddle through these potential presidents current plan when they don't have near the staff to make a viable plan?
There is some truth to this, which is why I always wonder why so many cry and complain about Bush.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So yeah, when the President can launch the nukes I'd say he's got quite a bit more power than given credit in this thread.
Plus, the congress usually follows the President by party lines willy nilly, so don't kid yourselves here.
not to mention the bullying he did to his own party mates...hell some of the very moderate conservatives he strong handed to do as he said still lost their seats to Dem's in '06.
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It was not his policies that trouble.. its the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis he ordered murdered as Commander-in-Chief.
I am not concerned that either of today's candidates would be so brutal and ignorant
Nah - it's not just that. You hear all kinds of ills that have nothing to do with the Iraq war that are attributed to him.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
alot of democrats voted against the Iraq invasion... just not enough... the whole "democrats are the same as republicans" argument by some is just hilarious and dead wrong
A majority of house democrats voted against the resolution (republicans voted 215-6 in favor)
Y
N
Republican---215----6
Democratic---81---126
Independent--0
1
TOTALS
296--133
but a small majority of Senate Democrats did vote in favor of the Resolution... (but again the republicans overwhelmingly supported it 48-1)
Y
N
Republican
48---1
Democratic----29---21
Independent---0----1
TOTALS
77---23
Democratic Senators that voted against the resolution: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), Wyden (D-OR).
1 of 49 Republican Senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI). (good for him)
The only Independent Senator voted against the resoution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
that is likely the result of exasperation when folks like you refer to what has become of Iraq as "just that"
I know you used the qualifier "by some" in this post ... but since you quoted me in your response, I just wanted to be clear:
I never made such an argument.
OK, carry on.
for the least they could possibly do
Whatever - don't give me that. You know that wasn't how I meant it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I cry and complain about Bush because he is the one who appoints people to office....like Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, Supreme Court justices, ect...
He's also the one now telling us that our 380 billion dollar deficit is largley because of the economic incentive stimulous checks.......yet he won't acknowledge the Iraq War and cutting taxes has anything to do with it.
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The Monroe Doctrine?
FDR's New Deal?
Johnson's Great Society?
Shit....Abe Lincoln suspended habeas corpus as well as freed slaves, which was one of the biggest policy shifts in our history.
Those are just a few you should know about....
More recently.....
Clinton's Child Income tax Credit?
All of the executive orders that Bush used to collectively stomp on our civil liberties?
The Patriot Act?
The creation of the entire Department of Homeland Security?
The administration's position on torture?
The moratorium on oil drilling?
ALL of our policies towards foreign powers are determined largely by the President.