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Bush is executing a brilliant plan - good job (assuming Hezbollah are really bad guys)
today they announce support for a UN multinational force to "stabilize Lebanon"
This is brilliant because Lebanon is being attacked by Israel. this force will not fire a single bullet at Israel. So what eactly will they do. Well they will gather behind Hezbollah - then begin to move toward the border - which is through hezbollah - someone from within Lebanon will fire on these forces, and they will respond by crushing Hezbollah.
brilliant. Bush came up with a plan to destroy this terrorist group - without declairing that as his intention - and using the rest of the world to do it.
Surely this plan was conceived months ago. "OK Israel, stand ready - Hezbollah will do something - then we will give you the go ahead to attack."
I hate that little fucker - for what he has done to the Iraqi people and for what he continues to do. But this was a well thought out scheme and well executed. I never thought I'd say this - but well done Bush administration.
today they announce support for a UN multinational force to "stabilize Lebanon"
This is brilliant because Lebanon is being attacked by Israel. this force will not fire a single bullet at Israel. So what eactly will they do. Well they will gather behind Hezbollah - then begin to move toward the border - which is through hezbollah - someone from within Lebanon will fire on these forces, and they will respond by crushing Hezbollah.
brilliant. Bush came up with a plan to destroy this terrorist group - without declairing that as his intention - and using the rest of the world to do it.Surely this plan was conceived months ago. "OK Israel, stand ready - Hezbollah will do something - then we will give you the go ahead to attack."
I hate that little fucker - for what he has done to the Iraqi people and for what he continues to do. But this was a well thought out scheme and well executed. I never thought I'd say this - but well done Bush administration.
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He is an idiot.. but this was a clever manipulation - and I believe well done.
I don't need time to judge that fucker - He has murdered masses of Iraqis for political gain. There is no fluke change of seasons that will justify that.
Does this mean you cannot criticize something in the moment... such as the game plan? And when is 'IT' going to be over? Will we have to wait 60 years when our guys finally come home if it takes that long? Or in this case... when the Israeli/Palestinian thing is resolved... 7 years after Hell freezes over?
Hail, Hail!!!
Have you taken a look at his poll numbers? He hardly went into Iraq for "political gain". He is in it for the long haul.
He recognizes radical Islam for what it truly is: Pure Evil.
I believe that it will be over...............when we win.
and what he said.
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But, you have to at least recognize the shortcomings of his decisions and efforts to 'Spread Democracy' to the Middle East...
In Gaza... they elect Hamas... in Lebanon, they elect Hezbolah... in Iraq, they elect Shi'ite fucks. This is empowering terrorist organizations by allowing them into government. It would be the same thing here if we allowed the K.K.K. and/or the Nation Of Islam to seize partial or full control of our government. How can this be good for battling 'Pure Evil'?
Hail, Hail!!!
If you think killing off Hezbollah is going to end this, you're wrong.
Horribly, horribly wrong.
I think this story is a good example of why I say this:
Syrians see spirit of warrior Saladin in Hezbollah leader
by Lamia Radi
Fri Jul 28
DAMASCUS (AFP) - By the tomb of Saladin in the old city of Damascus, dozens of Syrians each day pray for the repose of the warrior who liberated Jerusalem -- and for Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah to emulate his victories today.
In the narrow lanes of the old town and the modern sector of the Syrian capital, posters of the leader of the Lebanese Shiite movement are plastered on cars and the front of shops alongside the yellow flag of Hezbollah.
On widely displayed pictures of former president Hafez al-Assad, his son and successor Bashar, Nasrallah's image has replaced that of Assad's eldest son Basel, who died in 1998 -- a significant sign of popular and official support for the Hezbollah leader.
T-shirts bearing Nasrallah's effigy sell like loaves of bread.
Many Syrians see the Hezbollah chief as the embodiment of Saladin, for leading a war under the banner of Islam, of Gamal Abdel Nasser for defying Israel, and Che Guevara for his life as a guerrilla leader.
"He is all these heroes in one, but above all he is the Saladin of our time -- this one who can liberate Jerusalem" -- as did the Kurdish warrior in 1187 against the Crusaders, said Manar el-Samer, 31, standing near Saladin's tomb.
"Nasrallah is the only one to threaten Israel in the heart of its territory. For 15 days, his fighters have been fiercely resisting the most powerful military force in the region, while the Egyptian army collapsed in six days," added the medical workers, referring to the June 1967 war with Israel.
Munir Shehab al-Din, aged 45, commented: "Nasrallah is Saladin. It is someone audacious like he who will return Jerusalem (from Israel) and restore Arab glory."
Maha, a 21-year-old, recalls that the Hezbollah leader had not shielded his own son. "While Arab leaders fuss over their sons to make sure they inherit power, (Nasrallah's son) Hadi was killed in combat" in 1997.
Outside a store in Damascus's Souq al-Hamidiya, Mohammed uses his mobile to contact his supplier for new stocks of Nasrallah T-shirts which sell at 200 Syrian pounds (four dollars) each.
"I've been selling 600 to 700 of these each day since the start of the fighting. More than double the sales before the clashes began. Customers are of all ages, all classes. Many are Lebanese Shiites," he said.
Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers sparked the massive Israeli offensive against Lebanon on July 12, forcing thousands of Lebanese families to flee to neighbouring Syria to escape the relentless raids which have killed more than 400 people, most of them civilians.
In the Al-Qods (Jerusalem) bookshop, photos of the smiling and bearded face of Nasrallah provides strong competition to those of Arab pop stars.
"There's always been a demand for pictures of Nasrallah but that was mainly among our Shiite brothers. Since the beginning of the crisis, Sunnis and Christians have also bought many of them," said shopowner Shafik Musseili.
Inside the shop, Mohamed Moad was buying Nasrallah pictures in bulk for his own shop in the village of Deir Atteya, some 100 kilometres (60 miles) from the capital. His stock had run out.
"In our village, where the population is not mainly Shiite, photos of Nasrallah are everywhere -- on cars, in shops, and there is not a single house where his picture does not have pride of place in the living room," said Moad.
The destruction in Lebanon has turned even Syrians with American links against the superpower with its unconditional backing for the bloody Israeli offensive.
Maha, an opthamologist whose three sons are studying in the United States, demanded to know how Israel's bombing of Lebanon's milk plants was linked to fighting Hezbollah.
"It's too much. The United States is guilty... I want Hezbollah to inflict the greatest possible losses" on Israel, she said, adding that she was not a Hezbollah supporter.
Another woman, also named Maha, aged 50, said originally she had denounced the capture of the two Israeli soldiers but the Jewish state's response had made her change her mind.
"It is a systematic destruction of Lebanon, its airports, roads, ports, bridges, telecommunication installations, not just the bases of Hezbollah," she said.
In the main road of the Damascus souq, a huge poster has this message for Nasrallah and his dead son.
"The Syrian people, from the depths of their hearts, tell you: 'We are with you and the resistance, Aba Hadi. They claim that you are a terrorist, while all religions say that he who fights the occupiers in defence of his homeland, is not a terrorist. May Allah see you emerge victorious."
No. But I think he selected this plan as presented to him by someone. Which is the job of the president.
He miscalculated.. but that was his goal. He lied to do it and maintains it to save face and keep some credibility. to cut and run is to accept responsibility - which he will never do for political reasons. He just blindly goes on with it because the racist hateful americans are plenty and will hold on the the unreasonable and unsupportable hope that one day this will all prove wise..
he holds on at the cost of 100 Iraqis murdered per day
No sir, I certainly do not think killing off hezbollah is going to end anything other than ending hezbollah.
Our distain for the people of the Middle East is obvious - We can't make that more clear. All this will due it eliminate one small enemy.
The reaction of the region will likely yield an interesting wave, but as many that will be outraged, will be offset by those pleased.
In the end, it will eliminate or significantly reduce a nuissance - little more.
I am not supporting the action - I added (assuming Hezbollah are bad).. because this is a clever well thought out plan to basically eliminate them - or render them insignificant.
Every president goes to war for some sort political gain...ru kidding me? cmon...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Didn't Hezbollah strike first repeatedly?
Who cares anymore? My head aches and stomach is queasy everytime I turn on the tv or read a new article. People are dying and it's not going to stop. Doesn't seem to brilliant from where I'm standing.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Thats for sure. We have to keep our eyes open, hands on the wheel, and feet on the brakes. We can't give up.
somehow I feel a little better when it makes some sence to me. I've been feeling like we are moving very fast and the driver has his eyes closed.
Its one thing to disagree - but lately its been a whole lot of something other. It hurts my stomach too.
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/29/mideast.main/index.html
Saddam would have agreed if we had a good plan. Even he couldn't imagine Bush was so ignorant and evil as to do what he has done and continues to do to the world in Iraq.
Utterly ignorant and evil.
Can I just say that all Muslims are not evil nor are they all alike?
Get it through your heads : Bush took out Sadamm because after 9/11 things changed. The way you dealt with this type of garbage had to be re-evaluated. He said it from the beginning and he's saying it now. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but please don't sit here and paint Bush as the village idiot on the one hand and then as the cunning
manipulating strategist who invaded a country for political gain , on the other.
Untill their will grows tired
You miss the point.. perhaps deliberately.
Recall the outcome Bush expected resulting from him juvinile contempt for the people of the middle east.
Had he known how this would have turned out, he would never have done it.
What is the really sick part - is that he can stop it at any time.
but that would be very very bad politically. After that - he could not pretend its all good, just not finished.
then it would be ALL bad - and of course all his
so very bad politically for him to stop the occupation and oppression and murder of the people of Iraq
so he continues it, for nothing more than his own political brownie points
Not deliberately, and if there was a point missed, you haven't presented it, with all due respect
I could not argue with your notion that he would not have done this if he knew how it'd turn out. He expected ( and you must understand that when I say he, I really mean " they" as in the rest of the administration and people who have/had his ear - Bush is not the end all ) Iraq to fall to American Military Might quite easily ( which it did - only an idiot would say that the military did not accomplish this mission ) but where the mistakes were made were post-war. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld - all of them - were blinded by the blue-print of the Afghanistan campaign - They saw the Karzai government not only respond but actually establish themselves quite quickly. Unfortunately, Iraq did not follow suit.
As far as him stopping it now, this is where you must take your blinders off.
No president/leader would do this. The only people who think that pulling all of the troops out of Iraq now constitutes a good thing are the political hacks that are only out to use the situation as leverage for the next election. If youcannot see this, then it is you who are missing the point , again.
You speak of the occupation/ opression of the Iraqis, and blame Bush entirely.
That's your view, fair enough. But is it not you who would be ignoring those very people you are so concerned about, by suggesting for one minute that American troops should leave? The guys over there now are not attacking anyone, they are not ran-sacking houses and killing Muslims like machines, no matter how much you try to disgrace them. They are maintaining order, controlling curfews, and the second they are not there anymore that is when your people there will really feel the effects. Untill the new leader of Iraq announces on world-wide TV that he has no use for American troops patrolling the streets of Baghdad, I suggest you re-evaluate your views on what is going on there in the first place.
Untill their will grows tired
I have nothing but utter respect for our boys and girls over there. It's the masters of war I have problems with.
#1) You are right about Osama. He thought we'd tiptoe our way around the mountains of Afghanistan and be slaughtered by his followers. Too bad he ran like a little bitch when we came knocking
#2) The similarities are there between Iraq and Vietnam, but I would dis-agree with your view that it's a second Vietnam.
# 3 ) Very well said
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There are plenty of countries with terrible leaders who neglect the general public. Just so happens Iraq has oil so we decide to be the good guys and "save" the people in the name of freedom while we sit on our hands and let hundreds of thousands get murdered and raped in Sudan.
We are not killing them.. for the most part true. However, we are not protecting them. Our presence in an insult to most of them - and they are fighting that. They are killing those that support us. We stay claiming we have to protect them, when the only thing we are protecting is the small contingent pretending to be in charge.
Iraq is in a complete state of lawlessness. The criminals are in control - and pretty free to roam - to organize and to attack. They are resisting the government we installed - We are not helping Iraq at all - we are helping the US style government we have forced them to adopt - and the people don't seem to like it.
If we can't provide security on their streets - we should leave. We claim they have a vote, but they only got to vote for options within the Western style government we have drawn for them.
They are not accepting it - and that is all we are protecting.
we are not protecting the ordinary people of Iraq - and our presence is the reason they are being killed.