Amish grandfather: 'We must not think evil of this man'

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    THey are humans, NOT CHRISTIANS... who gives a fuck about religion...you dont care because your religious.. you care because its nature.

    it just sucks people drag religion into something for no reason.

    I can assure you,my friend, that I am in no way religious. Yes. They are human, but the lifestlye they live is based on a religion.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    macgyver06 wrote:
    THey are humans, NOT CHRISTIANS... who gives a fuck about religion...you dont care because your religious.. you care because its nature.

    it just sucks people drag religion into something for no reason.

    It also sucks when people drag religion OUT of something for no reason.

    (and you have no idea about the motivations of anyone other than yourself)
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    i think lifestyles are said aside when dealing with a loss.. just my opinion. I don't think he was consulting a religion when comforting people.

    did i mention he says nothing of forgiveness :)
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Well they aren't as bombarded with the declair war mentality that consumes most of America. I guess we'd better understand if they got basball bats and went into town beating people that look that the murderer.

    Maybe President Bush will make a speech showing how the Amish are weak on school shooters.
  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Well they aren't as bombarded with the declair war mentality that consumes most of America. I guess we'd better understand if they got basball bats and went into town beating people that look that the murderer.

    Maybe President Bush will make a speech showing how the Amish are weak on school shooters.

    I can't believe Bush's name ended up in this thread....oh wait, yes I can.....

    After thinking alot about this statement all that I can conclude is the media sickens me....has anyone questioned how ubelievably sick it is the media was so close to the situation that they could hear what this old man said over the body of his grand daughter, in private, to other children who were personally affected. No reverence at all, this is a private moment and that is why it was a wise statement. If it was said over a microphone to a crowd of 50 media persons then I would think it was someone trying to grandstand and manipulate the media for personal gain. But that wasn't the case, was it?

    I am just astounded that such a private thing could be discusse all over the world and political interpretations could be made by millions of yahoo's who don't understand the pain involved by these people, just so they could bash guns and Bush....

    Fuck.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    macgyver06 wrote:
    You don't forgive someone for killing someone.

    maybe YOU can't forgive, but some can.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    WindNoSail wrote:
    I can't believe Bush's name ended up in this thread....oh wait, yes I can.....

    After thinking alot about this statement all that I can conclude is the media sickens me....has anyone questioned how ubelievably sick it is the media was so close to the situation that they could hear what this old man said over the body of his grand daughter, in private, to other children who were personally affected. No reverence at all, this is a private moment and that is why it was a wise statement. If it was said over a microphone to a crowd of 50 media persons then I would think it was someone trying to grandstand and manipulate the media for personal gain. But that wasn't the case, was it?

    I am just astounded that such a private thing could be discusse all over the world and political interpretations could be made by millions of yahoo's who don't understand the pain involved by these people, just so they could bash guns and Bush....

    Fuck.

    Just admire him.. give me some hope.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    catefrances wrote:
    maybe YOU can't forgive, but some can.

    I think im confused, but what do you mean by forgiveness? Telling the killer it is ok, no harm no foul?

    please explain this to me.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    macgyver06 wrote:
    I think im confused, but what do you mean by forgiveness? Telling the killer it is ok, no harm no foul?

    please explain this to me.


    First of all he is dead. and no, forgiveness doesn't mean the children of the world don't need to be protected from this man.

    There is no value in hate.

    Compassion, understanding, and helpfullness are not signs of weakness
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    I couldn't forgive. But that's just me and how I would react.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I couldn't forgive. But that's just me and how I would react.

    Me neither, but I wish I could. Thats a little to close to expect a rational response. At least for me
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Abuskedti wrote:
    First of all he is dead. and no, forgiveness doesn't mean the children of the world don't need to be protected from this man.

    There is no value in hate.

    Compassion, understanding, and helpfullness are not signs of weakness

    what are you talking about? I never wrote these things...

    I'm just curious how when someone says... WE MUST NOT THINK EVIL OF THIS MAN.......how that is translated into a religious statement of forgiveness. When his words are a human statement of compassion and caring for the alive.
  • gtbrown77
    gtbrown77 Posts: 143
    macgyver06 wrote:
    You don't forgive someone for killing someone.

    If you are a Christian, then you do. It may not be easy, but you do. Even Christ, as he hung on the cross before his death, said to God "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" (depending on your translation).

    The Amish are Christian people. While this grandfather may not have said "forgive this man", I would imagine that it is something that he will pray about, and tell others that they should pray about as well.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    DOSW wrote:
    I just read that on CNN, and man, you have to have a lot of dedication to your faith to say that. He has every right to be angry, and I don't know if I think he's stupid or if he has a very strong will.

    He's not stupid, just has a lot faith, and beleves it is not his place to judge. A religion that is in step with the teachings of Jesus.

    It is also niceto see very religous that do not preach revenge and hatred.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    macgyver06 wrote:
    I think im confused, but what do you mean by forgiveness? Telling the killer it is ok, no harm no foul?

    please explain this to me.

    no. that's not what i am saying.
    there was harm. a massive amount of harm.

    yes this man murdered these beautiful children, but it can eat away at you if you hold onto something so soul destroying.
    and you are correct, the grandfather's words were a human statement of compassion. and it is from this that we must take our cues. surely if the families of the children can find it in their hearts not to condemn this man as evil, then it's the least we can do also.
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  • sponger
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    'o course, what the grandfather said pales in comparison to this:

    http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=061005&cat=frontpage&st=frontpagelju_amish_shootme_061005&src=abc
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    sponger wrote:
    'o course, what the grandfather said pales in comparison to this:

    http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=061005&cat=frontpage&st=frontpagelju_amish_shootme_061005&src=abc

    Awesome.. and we make fun of these people. Just amazing really for a young person to be calm at a time like this...
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Awesome.. and we make fun of these people. Just amazing really for a young person to be calm at a time like this...

    you make fun of amish people?


    as a parent you know that you would die for your children. but for this child to be willing to die for her sister and friends, that is something else.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    catefrances wrote:
    you make fun of amish people?


    as a parent you know that you would die for your children. but for this child to be willing to die for her sister and friends, that is something else.

    No, actually, I have always admired them. They have a far superior society to ours. We poke fun at places like Iraq - saying they are still in the stone age - and somehow we are more advanced... Our fast cars and video games and other "advances" certainly don't make us better.

    Instead we allow organized crime to flourish in Iraq - leaving their people to be terrorized and killed.

    I couldn't be more ashamed and apauled.. and this lovely example of a good people - who were so badly hurt - are not acknowledged until now - and will soon be forgotten.. as America crawls back into its evil shell.
  • suffragette
    suffragette Posts: 253
    In my neck of the woods, some of the Amish have no problem asking to use my phone. The Amish in Lancaster are of the old order.

    I deeply admire the man and wish I was evolved enough to feel that way. I just think of those little girls...and it makes me angry that someone took their life from them.

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