:) They will subpeona Rove and Others
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R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
He wasn't very "pleasurable."
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Very ture. Wait until one of them has sex with an intern.
(Seriously. It is a waste of money. Don't bother)
Trying to get truth is never a waste of time.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
I wasn't defending anybody, just professing how tired I am of the waste of politics.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Me, too.
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Except when it comes to investigating a President who cheated on his wife with an intern in the Oval Office…
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I don't know - Rove and the President have been lying for quite a long time.. maybe something will accidently fall out -
lol. (Saw the other thread) He wouldn't be either - I listened to a whole hour about him on npr once when I was putting together furniture. He sleeps at his office and keeps shirts there. I got the impression he's a total workaholic. Which is good if he's working for the good guys.
I hope some of this gets on cspan. I like watching a good shakeup in progress.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
Only if we let it. So what if we don't find out any thing new. The bigger picture is accountability. Congress is the only branch of government that the Executive Branch is accountable to. Yes, the Executive Branch has alot of headway in wartime, however, the matter of the U.S. Attorney issue is not a wartime issue. The issue not about the fired U.S. Attorneys, Bush and Cheney don't give a damn about that issue. The real fight is the removal of the only road block to absolute Executive Branch power, Congress and the preservation of the "check and balance" system under our Constitution. You have only a small taste of what the Executive Branch can do without oversight, without checks and balance, without accountability.
Bush DID NOT APPOINT these Senators and Representatives. You "elected" the people in the House and Senate. They are on equal footing. They are banking on our continued liberal/conservative bullshit to make this a non-issue, and we will because we have all reached the point that 2008 can't get here fast enough. The result of our indifference will be a one branch government with no checks and balances.
Just keep in mind that appointees and aids to the President and Vice-president are not privileged over Congress. They are nothing more than a "privileged family friend or pocketbook" hired as a federal employee, under a special pay scale and hiring procedures to a "public service" job. They carry no executive privilege from which Congress is excluded. Karl and Gonazles are appointed government workers. Just like the President could replace the appointed official who heads the Department of Energy at any time so goes Gonazles. Aids and appointees hold disposal politically obtained positions so how privilege are they compared to your rights.
Exactly. I mean...ah, you tricked me.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
... is fun. Really fun. I can't wait to see more of this.
Might have been eight years coming, but let this be a lesson to the Republicans. Never try to out-lawyer the Lawyer Party.
But witch hunts always are. Congressional hearings are never about getting to the truth. They are always about grandstanding.
Help me understaind.. We are not calling for some great investigation - merely asking that the parties speak under oath and with transcripts.. Not really too much to ask - and not expensive at all. In fact - far cheaper than the presidents option that instead congress should spend its time reading thousands of already doctored e-mails.
duh... what a travesty to ask that people who speak to congress be held accountable for what they say.
But if it's something, and Bush continues to argue against digging any further in this so-called "fishing expedition" over nothing, well....wouldn't that be something?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
But how can they guarantee that Rove would give honest testimony if he's not under oath? I just don't see the guy as incredibly honest. He could still lie under oath but I think it's less likely than if it's him, three of his lawyers and a bunch of Dem suits and lawyers all in a room.
you should see the doc, based on the book of the same name, Bush's Brain...it's all about rove...according to it republicans complained to the head of the gop, george bush, sr, about rove and his dishonest tactics, saying they wanted him out b/c they didn't approve of it...bush, instead, gave him a job working for him!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It is a waste because Presidents have the authority to fire prosecutors at will. Clinton did it but no one seemed to think it was a problem back then. Was the timing a bit strange yes. Usually a President will fire prosecutors who are hold-overs from the previous administration. They usually don't fire prosecutors who where appointed during their administration.
This is a pathetic attempt by the Dems to try to pin something on this administration. Why don't they grow a true set of balls and go after them for something serious like the Plame leak or the faulty intell that led us into Iraq or even the horrid mismanagement of the war.
There are a couple differences though.
They were replaced at the start of the term (which G.W.B. did also btw with no trouble at all) and the Senate had a vote on the replacements, which is a good system to keep the crazies out. It has always kept all of them more or less moderate, as law and politics aren't really a good mix.
Because of a provision snuck into the patriot act the AG could just appoint the new ones until a couple days ago when they repealed it.
There is also the question of certain investigations that were halted because of the moves.
And the allegations that they removed the ones who were prosecuting republicans or not pursuing cases against democrats that the administration wanted them to.
The justice department should pursue the cases that make the most sense in terms of stopping crime, not because of a political agenda.
It just makes me want to through a brick through the TV when I hear Bush or Snow on TV talking about congress just playing politics. No shit they are playing politics, but they are playing it against an administration who has played politics with every single issue since coming in to office.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I agree about the other things you say they should do. However, this appears to be potentially serious. The implication is that the Executive Branch fired US Attorneys because they were pursuing charges against Republicans. That seems like obstruction of justice. The interviews, under oath, may yield nothing - depending upon how well the accused have coordinated their story. But a simple hearing is not excessive.
Agreed, and besides, following along with the type of logic of the current administration, why should they mind testifying under oath if they've done nothing wrong?
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
He wont tell the truth just because he is under oath. Under oath - with transcripts allows the opportunity to compare testimony of all parties. When people lie - inconsistancies are inevitable. Because they were under oath, they will be compelled to explain the inconsistencies.
Of course they always have the "I can't remember" option.
But it will still lead to a better understanding of what happened - and will show these behind the scenes ass holes that they have to play a little more fair in the future.
it's funny, bushy and is supporters were all for warrantless wiretaps, yet, when it comes there turn to monitored and scrutinized, they fight like trapped animal...
I wasn't. That was just another example of politics not being about real issues. It's all bullshit. Our government is run by a bunch of greedy, power hungry douchbags. Every politician.
Which is exactly I don't trust them and want them to leave me the fuck alone.
It's not just a simple hearing though. Now we are probably headed into a legal battle between Congress and the White House. Look I, like many others, would love to see this administration nailed for all the shit they have done. I just think this is a fishing expedition to try to find something minor to get them on. If the Dems really want to go after this White House then go for the gold. We still haven't seen anyone brought to justice for leaking Plame's identity. We still don't have any accountability for Iraq. Don't waste time and my tax dollars going after someone just because they may have fired some prosecuters for political reasons. Yes it's wrong but compared to everything else it's small beans.
Sorry if you thought I meant Republicans on this board. I was referring to the republicans in Congress.
I feel the same way you do. I detest them. Most of them have done everything in their power to serve their own interest at the expense of the this country and the people. Our government is broken and the only ones that can do anything about it, us, are to busy eating the shit they feed us.
Thomas Jefferson said it best. The moment that our government fails to serve the people it is time to over throw it.