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We will win the war in Iraq?

AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
We went in for WMD - because Iraq was a threat to the US and it allies. We'll though that was of course not even true - we can still say that afterer conquering Iraq - they are no longer a threat to the US or its Allies...
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Then the mission was to liberate Iraq from Saddam.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

So what is victory? Must we remain in Iraq until it appears to at least 50% of voters that those missions were good ideas?
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    I thought when I saw this

    http://www.iraqtimeline.com/graphics/bushcarrier.jpg

    the war was over. What a tool. :rolleyes:


    The repercussions of GWB & Co. actions will be with us for...well probably forever. :(
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cutback wrote:
    I thought when I saw this

    http://www.iraqtimeline.com/graphics/bushcarrier.jpg

    the war was over. What a tool. :rolleyes:


    The repercussions of GWB & Co. actions will be with us for...well probably forever. :(


    All I can think of when I see that picture is backwoods Cooter
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    On the contrary I think Iraq is a greater threat to the U.S. and it's allies after the invasion. Being that Iraq is mostly ruled by muslim extremist factions that hate the United States and don't have the history Saddam had...
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Abuskedti wrote:
    We went in for WMD - because Iraq was a threat to the US and it allies. We'll though that was of course not even true - we can still say that afterer conquering Iraq - they are no longer a threat to the US or its Allies...
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    Then the mission was to liberate Iraq from Saddam.
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    So what is victory? Must we remain in Iraq until it appears to at least 50% of voters that those missions were good ideas?

    I thought I'd blow your mothers house up because I decided that she was a threat to me. And even though on closer inspection i discovered that she was actually never a threat to me, I now feel a lot safer.

    So, what's your fucking problem? :confused:

    I brought myself freedom and democracy in the process, so fuck you!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,193
    what victory ? bush just ruined a country and made enemies with a whole generation of IRAQUI citizens for the next 100yrs ,he will go down as the worst president in our history after all this is over !!!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abuskedti wrote:
    We went in for WMD - because Iraq was a threat to the US and it allies. We'll though that was of course not even true - we can still say that afterer conquering Iraq - they are no longer a threat to the US or its Allies...
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    Then the mission was to liberate Iraq from Saddam.
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    So what is victory? Must we remain in Iraq until it appears to at least 50% of voters that those missions were good ideas?


    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?
    When you say "the Iraqi army" you are referring to the army installed by the US military-the army that will do Washington's bidding.

    So it depends on whose victory you are talking about. The US gov'ts? The people of Iraq? The many religious groups?

    There are plenty of "Iraqi armies" at the moment, so its not so cut in stone as you'd make it out to be. Victory for who?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?

    That is not hard to grasp but it seems that this administration is having a hard time grasping the concept that the Iraqi militray is itself divided along secterian lines. You have units within the Iraqi military who refuse to carry out assignments simply because it is against fellow Shias or Sunnis. We will never be able to fullt hand over responsibility to the Iraqi militray because they are part of the problem along with the government and the police force.

    I think this administration is having a hard time grasping the fact that no amount of troops and no amount of time is going to make a damn diffference simply because there are too many Iraqis who do not want to but aside their secterian loyalties. You have elements within the Iraqi militray, police force, and government who are loyal to their sect and nothing we do is going to change that.

    We tried to bring democracy to that country. We could have done a hell of a lot better of a job, but we did all that we could and now it is time for the Iraqi government, police, and militray to step in. the problem is that all three of those don't give a shit about Iraq. You have factions within these three organizations who care about Shias or care about Sunnis. I'm sick and tired of our troops dying over there for a people who don't really seem like they want to try to come together to form a country.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I thought I'd blow your mothers house up because I decided that she was a threat to me. And even though on closer inspection i discovered that she was actually never a threat to me, I now feel a lot safer.

    So, what's your fucking problem? :confused:

    I brought myself freedom and democracy in the process, so fuck you!

    what an insightful post. way to capture reality.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Commy wrote:
    When you say "the Iraqi army" you are referring to the army installed by the US military-the army that will do Washington's bidding.

    So it depends on whose victory you are talking about. The US gov'ts?

    oh obviously, clearly if we were to establish our satelitte government, we would be fighting such a PC war. do you expect anyone to take that assertion seriously?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    mammasan wrote:
    That is not hard to grasp but it seems that this administration is having a hard time grasping the concept that the Iraqi militray is itself divided along secterian lines.

    I think that people that are obsessed with the phrase "this administration" have a hard time grasping the concept that al-queda is perpetuating sectarian violance b/c they know we are a weak people. they know we are a self-absorbed people and will put off what is necessary until we shed blood. I think that people who say that there is a civil war ongoing may have a point, but are disingenuous, b/c if they get what they want, mass genocide will occur, a REAL civil war....but it will paint bush in a negative light, so it's worth it i guess. so you got that goin' for you.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I think that people that are obsessed with the phrase "this administration" have a hard time grasping the concept that al-queda is perpetuating sectarian violance b/c they know we are a weak people. they know we are a self-absorbed people and will put off what is necessary until we shed blood. I think that people who say that there is a civil war ongoing may have a point, but are disingenuous, b/c if they get what they want, mass genocide will occur, a REAL civil war....but it will paint bush in a negative light, so it's worth it i guess. so you got that goin' for you.

    If you really believe that I would be happy with thousands of people dying in order to make a president look bad than you are the one with some serious issues. Trust me I would love nothing more than for this surge to work, democracy to spread through out the whole middle east and the violence to end. I'm not going to loose any sleep if George Bush is regarded as the best or worst president in US history. Maybe people use the term this administration simple because it is this administration who took us to war in Iraq.
    As far as Al-Qaeda maybe you should catch up on your reading my friend and you will find that Al-Qaeda has a very small scope of influence in Iraq. The support for the violence is coming from three places; Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.
    I think people who keep pounding their chest about how great we are for bring democracy to those people are being disingenious. Who the hell are you to decide what is best for another country or maybe it's just you being to afraid to admit that we made a huge fucking mistake.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    mammasan wrote:
    If you really believe that I would be happy with thousands of people dying in order to make a president look bad than you are the one with some serious issues.

    then call me mistaken and let's see what happens.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    then call me mistaken and let's see what happens.

    Lets.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?

    There are several, which are you rooting for? What is the score?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    what an insightful post. way to capture reality.

    Thanks.
  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    what an insightful post. way to capture reality.

    Thats exactly what i thought about it.....

    REALLY doubt we're on the same page tho....

    Because crudely put...you sound thick as fuck....

    That flag sure does look good on your wall tho huh

    Peas'
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?

    When you say order.. whould you use the level of order currently enjoyed by the United States in Iraq as the model - or some smaller measure?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abuskedti wrote:
    When you say order.. whould you use the level of order currently enjoyed by the United States in Iraq as the model - or some smaller measure?

    Purple Hawk is just here to troll. I haven't seen but maybe one honest post from the guy.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    if you seriously don't understand the definition of winning by now, you are either a blind partisan, driven by your hatred of capitalism which is funnelled upon Bush (so, i took care of 95% of you), or you are stupid, or you are just not attentive to politics and thereby not able to understand b/c of w's inarticulation problem.

    what is so hard to understand...when the iraqi army is able to regain order, we win.

    is this a really hard concept to grasp?
    ...
    Come on... you can't believe it is that simple... can you? I mean, it's like saying, "I don't see the difficulty in winning the Super Bowl... all you have to do is get there and when you do... all you have to do is score more points than the other team".
    If the Iraqi Army restores order by carrying out Death Squad executions and suppressing insurgencies against their government with wholesale killings... is that winning? There HAS to be standards set in your statement, right? Order isn't the only condition, is it? Didn't think so
    This makes it that much more difficult to get to. Making sure that the new army doesn't carry out the same orders as the old army. The solution in Iraq is difficult and complicated and it is made more complicated with our military involvement. I don't think the military can solve Iraq's political problems... yet, we have tasked the military with this problem. I think that is a shitty thing to do to them. They've already got their hands full, dealing with the assholes that have infiltrated the Iraqi army due to our political blunders.
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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    Abuskedti wrote:
    When you say order.. whould you use the level of order currently enjoyed by the United States in Iraq as the model - or some smaller measure?

    subtle AND ironic, i like it ;)
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Specifics wrote:
    subtle AND ironic, i like it ;)
    quite honestly, on first read,
    it made me think of Rush Limbaugh naked.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    Purple Hawk is just here to troll. I haven't seen but maybe one honest post from the guy.

    which one was the honest one?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    quite honestly, on first read,
    it made me think of Rush Limbaugh naked.

    Do you get those kind of thoughts often?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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