Is Kyoto Working?
surferdude
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Simple question, is the Kyoto Accord working? Is it effectively addressing global climate change?
My take is that it has been a failure. It failed to get buy in from the most important countries. It has failed to have countries that signed it make changes. As a trade agreement it put all onus on greenhouse gas producing countries and absolutely zero onus on countries who consume goods that have intensive greenhouse gas in production. Given these failures of Kyoto I believe it's time for Kyoto to be scrapped. Something new and better needs to be put in place.
Thoughts.
My take is that it has been a failure. It failed to get buy in from the most important countries. It has failed to have countries that signed it make changes. As a trade agreement it put all onus on greenhouse gas producing countries and absolutely zero onus on countries who consume goods that have intensive greenhouse gas in production. Given these failures of Kyoto I believe it's time for Kyoto to be scrapped. Something new and better needs to be put in place.
Thoughts.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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We're cruising through Kyoto, hit the ocean, ain't no stoppin 'em
Amphibious upgrade, I heard about this place, underwater secret base.
a - peace
b - the environment
I don't think that any program could work if the incriminated countries are not really determined to stop doing stupid stuff.
And yeah, not forcing China and India to do anything was a mistake.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
as much as kyoto has failed to institute global change in greenhouse gases ... the failure is in the individual nations inability to succeed - not in the accord itself ...
countries who are going to meet or exceed their targets will have gained without an impact to economics even noticed ... just because canada chooses to serve corporate interests instead of long-term sustainability doesn't mean the accord sucks ... just our leaders and populace ...
Canada emits lots of greenhouse gas in it's oil exploration. But that oil is bought by those aroung the world. Please explain why Canada should be hit with those greenhouse gas emissions? If you want to see consumption pattern changes (i.e. conservation, a switch to greener technologies) you have to hit the consumer.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
your assumption that any country that has met their target did it on the open market is false ... they've made significant progress in renewable energy and conservation ...
as far as the oil sands - we most defnitely should be charged with the extraction gases as we are the source ... no one is even counting the burning of the oil or manufacturing or refining (unless its done in canada) ... the reality is (as for so long) we continue to NOT pay the true cost of oil as a resource ... it costs less for gas here than pop ... tell me how that makes any sense? ... especially when you factor in the pollution and toll on the environment? ...
we are not as dependent on oil as some would have you believe ...
and lastly - the USA is evil mantra may be used too often these days but u can't possibly sit there and type that they are purveyors of good and all that - you can critique the bashers all you want but if you actually listen to the message - that's where the crux is ...
Imposing laws or standards governmentally like this will only leave loopholes.
Kyoto was a good idea in therory, I just think they should have targeted corporations and not governments. Why not have an energy conference with energy companies? Show them how they can still be profitable and thrive while reducing harmful emmissions.
Definately none of this will work in the US until you make it to the corporations and show them how they can still please the stakeholders while operating cleanly. It is possible, and it's been proven in cases, you just have to show the boards of directors the plan to do it. It is absolutely a matter of getting the research dollars into finding solutions.
oil companies are run by dinosaurs ... it's like making emission standards voluntary ... the US did not sign onto kyoto and have basically left it up to the individual states and corps to do something ... and you can see - that plan isn't doing diddly squat in the grand scheme of things ...
I may also need some football pads and some S and M gear so I can look cool after the apocalypse.
good idea....
say could you send me a pic of you naked with chaps and an axl rose cap?
yummy!
Kyoto is definitely working and happily employed by (or is that married to?) a well known actor/director in New York.
Or so I last heard....
*runs out*
kyoto was a scam to fool the public into thinking that something was being done about a problem that is past the point of no return. in that sense; it worked. it released the highest polluters from any obligation but the public ate it up so the conspiracy worked. the public isn't being told the truth because of the panic it would cause. that's what it comes down to.
you are so correct. a country cannot fulfill it's obligations because it's THE PEOPLE that have to change. europe has done great things including solar and wind power. if you've been to a german hotel lately; the electricity is shut off when you leave the room. your room key turns on the electricity.