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If Science Is Supposed To Be Good

surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
why is it destroying the world?

Atomic bombs? Weapons?

Pollutions? Carcinogenics?

What good is science if it constantly kills us?
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    People are mortal and they use scienctific knowledge to kill. Science itself hasn't bombed anything. People don't fight and kill over science.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't think anyone is chanting, "Marine Biology is GREAT!!!" as they fly a hi-jacked commercial airliner into an office high rise.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Funny that I see it the same way. But I would have to think that what comes from the morbid depths of a human's mind and soul, can be harnessed for the good that exists within those thoughts. With all due respect to people who have lost their lives from the viciousness of torture and persecution around the world. There has been unbelievable strides in perserving life come from that. We now live in an age where people almost expect to get years tacked onto their lives almost like changing oil and spark plugs in a car. To say that science only contributes to the bad things in life is like saying that god had to screw around on the goddess to understand that you shouldn't covet thy neighbours wife. (I mean how else do you know how it makes you and the parties involved feel! ;)) So then science just showed you how feelings and emotions can make you think of anything to scare somebody into submission because that big thing nobody has ever seen is watching. Okay enough about that. Back to science. Well not quite. God gave us the brain to come up with such horrible uses for getting to close to it. You know, we can't be like god. So to break down everything to try and figure out why it works is......well.......getting to close to the man.

    The worst thing man has done is get down to the atom. God exploded from nothing, which would have had to at least be an atom according to science or whatever they have it down to inside the atom. But we can't seem to get too much closer to nothing now can we. Thanks for reading the rant.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    People are mortal and they use scienctific knowledge to kill. Science itself hasn't bombed anything. People don't fight and kill over science.

    I think you walked into his point--it's not science that causes evil and it is not religion that causes evil.

    But it's not entirely fair (in reference to the religion thread). It can safely be said that neither relgion nor science cause the bad.

    However people do dispicable things in the name of religion, but do not do so in the name of science.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    However people do dispicable things in the name of religion, but do not do so in the name of science.

    have you ever seen some of the research that was done by the nazi's? that was done in the name of science. They froze many a people to death to try and develop suits to help keep their pilots from freezing in cold water. Science is by no means clean of the dispicable...look at the tuskegee syphillis study. Science has done many terrible things to advance knowledge which is why we have the geneva convention and human subject rights.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    chopitdown wrote:
    have you ever seen some of the research that was done by the nazi's? that was done in the name of science. They froze many a people to death to try and develop suits to help keep their pilots from freezing in cold water. Science is by no means clean of the dispicable...look at the tuskegee syphillis study. Science has done many terrible things to advance knowledge which is why we have the geneva convention and human subject rights.

    But not IN THE NAME OF science.

    The point the original poster was making was that science and religion can both be invoked for either. Fair enough.

    But "we're doing this for God" does not apply. They were not doing it FOR science. They were doing it WITH science.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    But not IN THE NAME OF science.

    The point the original poster was making was that science and religion can both be invoked for either. Fair enough.

    But "we're doing this for God" does not apply. They were not doing it FOR science. They were doing it WITH science.

    fine they were doing it for knowledge (of which some is "science") with science. I see your point your trying to make, but it seems like science gets a free pass. Some people think science has all the answers and is the only way (just like some think god is the only way). To me, if you hold that science has all the answers and you're seeking answers, it is in the name of science.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    chopitdown wrote:
    fine they were doing it for knowledge (of which some is "science") with science. I see your point your trying to make, but it seems like science gets a free pass. Some people think science has all the answers and is the only way (just like some think god is the only way). To me, if you hold that science has all the answers and you're seeking answers, it is in the name of science.


    Who really gives science a "free pass"? What would advancement be without it? Will we wait for an answer from some deity so we can move on? For some reason we are always searching for a "better way" even if we don't really need one.

    Do we really need something in an hour? Transplants excluded?

    If we don't say it is science or god. Then what is the choice? Same as saying you don't really believe in the big bang or god. If you even came up with something that you did believe in. It would be scoffed at. When it comes down to the actual human brain and wanting an answer.......Do either of the two options really make a good case for belief?

    God - just made everything. But nobody has an answer for it. Where it came from and how it got made.

    Big Bang - Well I imagine when we die we will feel what nothing feels like. And until then what can we really explain about nothing. The fact that life started from it?

    Let me know when option three comes into play. Not that I have the answer but why should we always look for a blame as opposed to the answer. If science and god can't get along, how the hell can we?
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    even flow? wrote:
    Who really gives science a "free pass"? What would advancement be without it? Will we wait for an answer from some deity so we can move on? For some reason we are always searching for a "better way" even if we don't really need one.

    Do we really need something in an hour? Transplants excluded?

    i think we need science, absolutely...my main point was that bad things do get done in the name of science.

    technology is great b/c we can get things done quickly or in about an hour...it's just too bad that we have technology to make our life easier but we just add more crap to our plate so we can do even more in less time and have more stress (but that's another discussion)
    even flow? wrote:
    If we don't say it is science or god. Then what is the choice? Same as saying you don't really believe in the big bang or god. If you even came up with something that you did believe in. It would be scoffed at. When it comes down to the actual human brain and wanting an answer.......Do either of the two options really make a good case for belief?

    God - just made everything. But nobody has an answer for it. Where it came from and how it got made.

    Big Bang - Well I imagine when we die we will feel what nothing feels like. And until then what can we really explain about nothing. The fact that life started from it?

    Let me know when option three comes into play. Not that I have the answer but why should we always look for a blame as opposed to the answer. If science and god can't get along, how the hell can we?

    that's a great question and it's unfortunate that in some people's eyes science and God can't get along. I know that we see differently on some issues, i fully accept that science has given us "answers" that are different than my beliefs and I can operate in that world but i don't have to believe it. I think we should use science to help explain and i think science is good; i wouldn't be studying it if I didn't. I just think that things have been done in the name of science and that can give science a bad name; in the same way bad things have been done in the name of religion. I'm pretty sure we agree on that, or you can at least see where I'm coming from.
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    Science is neither good or evil.

    Is this really thread worthy?
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