Pope Benedict blast Canada
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Good timing, Harper is about to reopen the gay marriage question in the parliament this fall, funny stuffs...
Pope calls gay marriage "folly", warns politicians
By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Friday Catholic politicians could not be swayed by opinion polls and social trends into supporting practices such as abortion and the "folly" of gay marriage.
The Pope repeated his opposition to abortion and gay marriage in a toughly worded address to visiting bishops from Canada.
"In the name of ‘tolerance' your country has had to endure the folly of the redefinition of spouse, and in the name of ‘freedom of choice' it is confronted with the daily destruction of unborn children," the Pope said.
"When the Creator's divine plan is ignored the truth of human nature is lost," he said.
Canada legalized gay marriage last year but its parliament will hold a vote later this year on whether to start the process of scrapping the law, which is opposed by conservatives.
Since his election last year, the Pope has often condemned gay marriage and last June a Vatican document called it one sign of "the eclipse of God" in modern times.
In his address to the bishops, the Pope also touched on the highly sensitive issue of whether Catholic politicians can back legislation allowing practices such as gay marriage and abortion even if they are personally opposed to them.
The Pope condemned such behavior by politicians as "false dichotomies".
They are particularly damaging when Christian civic leaders sacrifice the unity of faith and sanction the disintegration of reason and the principles of natural ethics, by yielding to ephemeral social trends and the spurious demands of opinion polls," he said.
"Democracy succeeds only to the extent that it is based on truth and a correct understanding of the human person. Catholic involvement in political life cannot compromise on this principle...," he said.
The Church, particularly in developed countries such as the United States, has been divided over the issue of whether Catholic politicians who support abortion should be allowed to receive communion.
The issue divided U.S. Catholics and their bishops during the 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry, a Democrat and a Catholic who supports abortion rights.
Some Catholic politicians say they are personally opposed to abortion but, in pluralistic societies such as the United States, feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose.
Last June, a task force of the U.S. Catholic bishops conference left the decision of whether Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should be denied communion with local bishops.
President George W. Bush, a Protestant and a Republican, opposes abortion and gay marriage.
Gay marriage is expected to be an issue in November elections when control of the Republican-led U.S. Congress will be at stake.
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Pope calls gay marriage "folly", warns politicians
By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Friday Catholic politicians could not be swayed by opinion polls and social trends into supporting practices such as abortion and the "folly" of gay marriage.
The Pope repeated his opposition to abortion and gay marriage in a toughly worded address to visiting bishops from Canada.
"In the name of ‘tolerance' your country has had to endure the folly of the redefinition of spouse, and in the name of ‘freedom of choice' it is confronted with the daily destruction of unborn children," the Pope said.
"When the Creator's divine plan is ignored the truth of human nature is lost," he said.
Canada legalized gay marriage last year but its parliament will hold a vote later this year on whether to start the process of scrapping the law, which is opposed by conservatives.
Since his election last year, the Pope has often condemned gay marriage and last June a Vatican document called it one sign of "the eclipse of God" in modern times.
In his address to the bishops, the Pope also touched on the highly sensitive issue of whether Catholic politicians can back legislation allowing practices such as gay marriage and abortion even if they are personally opposed to them.
The Pope condemned such behavior by politicians as "false dichotomies".
They are particularly damaging when Christian civic leaders sacrifice the unity of faith and sanction the disintegration of reason and the principles of natural ethics, by yielding to ephemeral social trends and the spurious demands of opinion polls," he said.
"Democracy succeeds only to the extent that it is based on truth and a correct understanding of the human person. Catholic involvement in political life cannot compromise on this principle...," he said.
The Church, particularly in developed countries such as the United States, has been divided over the issue of whether Catholic politicians who support abortion should be allowed to receive communion.
The issue divided U.S. Catholics and their bishops during the 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry, a Democrat and a Catholic who supports abortion rights.
Some Catholic politicians say they are personally opposed to abortion but, in pluralistic societies such as the United States, feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose.
Last June, a task force of the U.S. Catholic bishops conference left the decision of whether Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should be denied communion with local bishops.
President George W. Bush, a Protestant and a Republican, opposes abortion and gay marriage.
Gay marriage is expected to be an issue in November elections when control of the Republican-led U.S. Congress will be at stake.
© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-09-08T125837Z_01_L08875014_RTRUKOC_0_US-POPE-GAYS.xml&archived=False
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Not at all, but i do think the Pope has nothing to say about a country internal policy, if he want to say something, then at least make sense, what he say is pure idiocy (talking about how the state should be run by God or catholic rules???) and pure bullshit colonialist catholic non-sense, catholic churches has taken the side road here, he's probably frustrated about the fact that Canadian churches are now empty...
Remember, i'm catholic (in the stats at least)...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Catholic lobby will be encourage by that, and will gain support for that. But as you said in the end, i don't think it will change anything, most people who are listening to the Pope's words are already against all that stuffs, so it's only icing on the cake... but there's things way more important and more dangerous to the "human person" than Canadian politics and social views. The Pope should start to look at those problems, it would make him relevant, for once.
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I'll file his mindless, manipulative, self-interested fascist rantings under " Usless Drivel "
Corporations are polluting this planet at a disturbing and dispicable pace.
People all over the world are starving and living in horrific conditions.
Pedophiles and sex-enslavers are stalking their next victims.
And......this is what this pompus, bloated, bag of wind chooses to attack and criticize?:rolleyes:
Hey Pope, I have some news for you. You are nothing more than a human being, just like the rest of us. You are no closer to god, than anyone else. So go take a ride in your plastic, see-through car and Shut The Fuck Up!
I have an idea, why don't you publically stand up, speak out, attack and criticize all the Catholic Priests who have been supported, hidden and protected by your sleazy, disgusting peers at the Catholic Churchs of the world; while they in the past and continue to in the present- rape, molest and harm children!!!
Go ahead, speak out!
I won't hold my breath.
don't forget he is the head of a religion and he is supposed to lead them in the religion and convey the religions views. And if he sees something that isn't in line with the religions views, he is obligated to say so. I'm not catholic, but the catholic church does help the needy, they do help the oppressed/ victimized. He is trying to help them, but he's also trying to lead the religion and like it or not, religion has views on abortion, gay marriage etc...
I don't disagree with your point. The pope was speaking to Catholic politicians. I know if I were a consituent of a Catholic politician I'd make damned sure that he felt more accountable to me and to the other voters who elected him, than to some old dude across the ocean.
I guess that's one of the risks one takes when one votes for a politician with allegence to a religion.
Alright, right wing Catholics/Evangelical Protestants, HERE''S wehere you're wrong. If you're god is SOOO perfect and doesn't want homosexuality, why the fuk did he create it to begin with????? Is he a Sadist????? I am a left-wing non-fundamentalist christian and proud. Try to answer that Pope Benedict, Kiss My Ass. And about abortion, why don't you dumbass conservatives go out and help people who CAN feel their death and not wheher Julie decides whether to have a baby or not.
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Well Said, what I was trying to say in my post but failed to get through.
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Your assumption is off base in that you're assuming He created homosexuality. Once sin entered the world that is when the crap hit the fan and what was perfect was no longer perfect. Deviations from perfection filter in...just so i don't get attacked here, christians are no better than anyone else, if you aren't perfect, you're flawed and in my mind that means every damn one of us if far from perfect (the pope included). I agree that Christians should help people, and the vast majority do help people or give money to those that can help people better. that's my $0.02...
It is not close-minded at all. The church and the Book it is based on state that the homosexuality is a sin. So why would they say it is anything else?
Do so many people really not see what a bullshit issue this is yet? It always sparks up right before elections to swing religious people conservative.. What the hell could possibly be accomplished by banning gay marriage? And what business do politicians have to tell us which person we can't marry?
This is a completely bogus issue to dupe stupid people based on their hate for homosexuality. It serves no other purpose. And some people say religion doesn't cause harm... Religion (any religion, but for our culture christianity has been the culprit) throughout it's existance has served one underlying, definite purpose...
Which can be summed up as "mind control". You bring people up on values that hate homosexuals just because a man with a collar and an old book told you to then when they grow up that's what they're going to believe, whether or not it's right. Same thing can be seen in other things not directly dealing with religion.. look at racism,.... racist parents raise racist children. Same process.
The Pope is a perfect example of how people with power over religious followers use this control to make them do whatever they want. But the Pope is losing ground these days.. now we rely on politicians and various other people to tell us what to do.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
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