France slams Canada

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edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
French minister slams Canada's Kyoto retreat
Last Updated: Thursday, November 16, 2006 | 5:08 PM ET
CBC News

Environment Minister Rona Ambrose spent another day on the defensive at the UN Climate Conference as her French counterpart slammed Canada for abandoning emissions-cutting targets under the Kyoto protocol.

"I am very disappointed at Canada's retreat. I hope it is temporary," French Environment Minister Nelly Olin said Thursday.

"It's a shock for us, a shock for all who support Kyoto. And above all, it's a shock, I think, for the Canadians who I think are generally supportive of Kyoto."

Olin cited the many years she worked with Ambrose's predecessor and current Liberal leadership candidate Stéphane Dion to develop a coherent climate plan for Canada.

First public criticism of Canada
It was the first public rebuke at the conference of Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Conservative government's position on Kyoto, although there have been private grumblings by other participants.

Under Kyoto, which was signed by a previous Liberal government and came into effect in February 2005, Canada committed to cutting its greenhouse gas emissions six per cent from 1990 levels by 2012.

But the Conservatives backed away from Kyoto after winning power in January, saying the commitments couldn't be achieved and pointing out that Canada's emissions have actually risen some 35 per cent since 1990.

They instead proposed a clean air act in October that aims to cut the emissions by between 45 and 65 per cent from 2003 levels by 2050.

Ambrose accuses Olin of meddling
On Thursday, Ambrose accused Olin of meddling in Canada's domestic politics and reiterated her position that the Conservatives were left with an impossible challenge on the climate change problem because of the previous Liberal government's failure to take action.

"I won't get involved in French domestic politics: it's not my way to get involved as she did in ours," said Ambrose.

Canada is the only country that has backpedaled on its targets under the climate treaty. However, the world's biggest producer of greenhouse gas emissions, the United States, never signed the international treaty.

French President Jacques Chirac has made scathing comments about countries that forgo their commitments.

Ambrose said the Liberals failed to put in place an adequate framework for cutting emissions, and repeated the Conservative position that Canada's targets are unachievable.

With files from the Canadian Press
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/16/kyoto-ambrose.html
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Canada is going down the drain.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • miller8966 wrote:
    Canada is going down the drain.

    hehe, thanks to the Conservatives... it's only temporary, they'll be remove soon enough...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hehe, thanks to the Conservatives... it's only temporary, they'll be remove soon enough...

    Canada in general is a slow country that cant get out of the "america junior" label.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    French minister slams Canada's Kyoto retreat
    No offence to France but given their less than stellar performance on the world stage I don't give a rat's ass what they think. Would France be happier with the stance the Liberals took of standing by Kyoto in words but having their actions do nothing?

    It's so hypocritical for France to say anything. They consume oil, they should be responsible for all the greenhouse gas created in in the production of that oil. But they helped build a shitty Kyoto Accord that purposely doesn't take this into account, just so they can stand tall and say look what we're doing.

    Maybe France should worry a little more about how they treat their own citizens and their ongoing riots than how Canada is going forward with lowering their greenhouse gas emissions. Then look at the bigoted way they treat Turkey in their attempt to join the EU. France should just shut the fuck up, the world would be a better place if they did.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdude wrote:
    No offence to France but given their less than stellar performance on the world stage I don't give a rat's ass what they think. Would France be happier with the stance the Liberals took of standing by Kyoto in words but having their actions do nothing?

    It's so hypocritical for France to say anything. They consume oil, they should be responsible for all the greenhouse gas created in in the production of that oil. But they helped build a shitty Kyoto Accord that purposely doesn't take this into account, just so they can stand tall and say look what we're doing.

    Maybe France should worry a little more about how they treat their own citizens and their ongoing riots than how Canada is going forward with lowering their greenhouse gas emissions. Then look at the bigoted way they treat Turkey in their attempt to join the EU. France should just shut the fuck up, the world would be a better place if they did.

    Yeah, you mix things up a bit mind you, let's get geared up for our plan to reduce our emission, i mean let's get ready for 2050... haha... I love this interventions from the French minister, i wish there was more, from other country, cause the french will be discredited for everything they say in most part of Canada... proof is your post, i wasn't expecting anything else.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • miller8966 wrote:
    Canada in general is a slow country that cant get out of the "america junior" label.

    hehe, yeah, duh... slow country? I'm under the impression that you don't know what you're talking about...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • hehe, yeah, duh... slow country? I'm under the impression that you don't know what you're talking about...

    ***spits coffee out and laughs***
  • Btw, the "Fossil" award was not given to France, but to Canada, so yes France can criticize Canada on current environment policy, and i'd like more country to do so...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Yeah, you mix things up a bit mind you, let's get geared up for our plan to reduce our emission, i mean let's get ready for 2050... haha... I love this interventions from the French minister, i wish there was more, from other country, cause the french will be discredited for everything they say in most part of Canada... proof is your post, i wasn't expecting anything else.
    It will be discredited because it deserves to be discredited. It's not based on Canada's action but on the party in power. France had no objections to Canada's action when the Liberals were in power. I'm not surprised though as this is how France works on the world stage. They base UN votes on politics and not the issue. They are fully within their rights to do so. But most parts of Canada rightfully discredit France's stance here because they see just how hypocritical it is.

    It has nothing to do with the language they speak in Frnace, and everything with how France has chosen to play politics on the world stage. Evidence of this is how Quebec's stance is not discredited in Canada, and people in general point to Quebec as having actions consistant with their word when it comes to the environment.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Btw, the "Fossil" award was not given to France, but to Canada, so yes France can criticize Canada on current environment policy, and i'd like more country to do so...
    Lets see France back up their words for once and stop doing trade with Canada and other countries not doing their bit for the environment. Just once I'd like to see Fance's actions follow their words. As the saying goes "they talk the talk, but they sure don't walk the walk".
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    try canadasucks.org
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • French minister slams Canada's Kyoto retreat
    Last Updated: Thursday, November 16, 2006 | 5:08 PM ET
    CBC News

    Environment Minister Rona Ambrose spent another day on the defensive at the UN Climate Conference as her French counterpart slammed Canada for abandoning emissions-cutting targets under the Kyoto protocol.

    "I am very disappointed at Canada's retreat. I hope it is temporary," French Environment Minister Nelly Olin said Thursday.

    "It's a shock for us, a shock for all who support Kyoto. And above all, it's a shock, I think, for the Canadians who I think are generally supportive of Kyoto."

    Olin cited the many years she worked with Ambrose's predecessor and current Liberal leadership candidate Stéphane Dion to develop a coherent climate plan for Canada.

    First public criticism of Canada
    It was the first public rebuke at the conference of Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Conservative government's position on Kyoto, although there have been private grumblings by other participants.

    Under Kyoto, which was signed by a previous Liberal government and came into effect in February 2005, Canada committed to cutting its greenhouse gas emissions six per cent from 1990 levels by 2012.

    But the Conservatives backed away from Kyoto after winning power in January, saying the commitments couldn't be achieved and pointing out that Canada's emissions have actually risen some 35 per cent since 1990.

    They instead proposed a clean air act in October that aims to cut the emissions by between 45 and 65 per cent from 2003 levels by 2050.

    Ambrose accuses Olin of meddling
    On Thursday, Ambrose accused Olin of meddling in Canada's domestic politics and reiterated her position that the Conservatives were left with an impossible challenge on the climate change problem because of the previous Liberal government's failure to take action.

    "I won't get involved in French domestic politics: it's not my way to get involved as she did in ours," said Ambrose.

    Canada is the only country that has backpedaled on its targets under the climate treaty. However, the world's biggest producer of greenhouse gas emissions, the United States, never signed the international treaty.

    French President Jacques Chirac has made scathing comments about countries that forgo their commitments.

    Ambrose said the Liberals failed to put in place an adequate framework for cutting emissions, and repeated the Conservative position that Canada's targets are unachievable.

    With files from the Canadian Press
    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/16/kyoto-ambrose.html

    thanks for posting, thankyougrandma. we could all do better in terms of protecting the environment.
  • surferdude wrote:
    It will be discredited because it deserves to be discredited. It's not based on Canada's action but on the party in power. France had no objections to Canada's action when the Liberals were in power. I'm not surprised though as this is how France works on the world stage. They base UN votes on politics and not the issue. They are fully within their rights to do so. But most parts of Canada rightfully discredit France's stance here because they see just how hypocritical it is.

    It has nothing to do with the language they speak in Frnace, and everything with how France has chosen to play politics on the world stage. Evidence of this is how Quebec's stance is not discredited in Canada, and people in general point to Quebec as having actions consistant with their word when it comes to the environment.

    Rona Ambrose is playing that partisan game herself, politicians always do, you just turn a blind eye to the criticism cause they come from the French (not because of the language but because of the country), even if the French minister IS right, whatever other political issue are not at stake, we're talking about the Nairobi conference, France wouldn't criticize Canada on social or immigration issue, right now it's about environment, and i agree with the criticism on that topic. The blame also come from the UN itself, the Quebec govt. and every environmental organisations.

    Btw, the French criticism comes after a meeting with Quebec's environment minister, she probably made that public critics after demands from Quebec's minister. It's not in the article (or any that i've found in english) but the French minister also said that not ALL of Canada is against Kyoto, most citizens and one entire Province is not sharing their govt. point of view, and she talk about the Quebec Plan as good and said Quebec is showing COURAGE (hehe) with their current plan, going against Canada will. (which is define in Ambrose speech as meant to "divide Canada").
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • surferdude wrote:
    Lets see France back up their words for once and stop doing trade with Canada and other countries not doing their bit for the environment. Just once I'd like to see Fance's actions follow their words. As the saying goes "they talk the talk, but they sure don't walk the walk".

    stop doing trade??? So when Canada govt. was for Kyoto and the USA was against it, we should have "stop doing trade with the USA?". It makes no sense at all.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    miller8966 wrote:
    try canadasucks.org


    ***spits coffee out and laughs***
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    canada just took a pro-israel stance at the u.n..i like it more and more
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • miller8966 wrote:
    canada just took a pro-israel stance at the u.n..i like it more and more

    so canada sucks, canada is slow, canada is going down, but canada is currently doing everything you like (Conservatives agendas), show some consistency please, i'm not following...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    stop doing trade??? So when Canada govt. was for Kyoto and the USA was against it, we should have "stop doing trade with the USA?". It makes no sense at all.
    Why not identify the areas we think the US is abymsal in and say as a country we won't do trade with you in the following areas. Not because we don't like your politics but because we as a country feel it is our responsibility as consumers to make good environmental choices. But the Liberals never cared for Kyoto as anything other than an election platform so this would never have occured to them. But this would be the stance a country that walks the talk would take.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • The french better watch it. Soon we will be calling our french fries freedom fries.
  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    miller8966 wrote:
    try canadasucks.org
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ***spits coffee out and laughs***

    Now that's funny. Guys from Jersey and Chicago laughing at Canada. We must have really gone for a shit here in Canada since I got home from work.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • The world's largest economy in the USA did not sign up to Kyoto, as is the case with Australia. Canada is now backing away from it presumably because it is hurting its bottom line. If you don't have the U.S with two of its close allies (who are the two of the biggest exporters of minerals in the world) then I would say the treaty is as good as useless.
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?
  • I'm trying to decide which of the two I hate the least.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    "I am very disappointed at Canada's retreat." French Environment Minister Nelly Olin said Thursday.

    This was my favorite part. The French complaining about retreating! They've perfected the art of retreat and surrender.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Songburst wrote:
    Now that's funny. Guys from Jersey and Chicago laughing at Canada. We must have really gone for a shit here in Canada since I got home from work.

    I've been finding you quite entertaining, lately, Songburst. :)
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  • BlancheBlanche Posts: 247
    The french better watch it. Soon we will be calling our french fries freedom fries.
    How about québec fries?
  • I'm trying to decide which of the two I hate the least.

    The French definately.

    Not that I am a fan of either.
    Oh he fills it up with the love of a girl...
  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    angelica wrote:
    I've been finding you quite entertaining, lately, Songburst. :)

    HAHA -- glad I'm entertaining somebody. It can't be more entertaining than discussing religion and string theory with me though, can it?
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Songburst wrote:
    HAHA -- glad I'm entertaining somebody. It can't be more entertaining than discussing religion and string theory with me though, can it?
    Religion/string theory--that's a little more stressful and I don't feel I'm getting as much of your fun side in those debates! Maybe it's that I like you better from an outside perspective rather than from an opposing-you perspective. Although you do make a good/fair opponent in that you hold to the rules of logic.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    Vote Green if you care for the environment, and not so much about your taxes.
    Vote NDP if you're not quite odd enough to vote green, but still like mariju..er..treehugging.
    Vote PC if you like hanging from the USA's nutsack, and follow US leadership like lemmings.
    Vote Liberal if you really don't care about politics, and just want ppl in that ride the fence.

    PCs could really care less about the future environment and Kyoto accord.
    Liberals _say_ they will adhere, but actions did not speak louder than words.
    NDP would probably take action, but their leadership is erratic at best right now.
    Green will probably never win an election in my lifetime unless Wayne Gretzky became leader of the Green party.

    As a result, Canada will probably not adhere to Kyoto, nor similar standards, for at least the next 50 years or maybe longer.

    Have a nice day!
    Derrick
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    surferdude wrote:
    No offence to France but given their less than stellar performance on the world stage I don't give a rat's ass what they think. Would France be happier with the stance the Liberals took of standing by Kyoto in words but having their actions do nothing?

    Apparently they would, as would some of the posters on this board.
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